1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:16,050 --> 00:00:18,742 - The first film I ever saw where there was nudity, 4 00:00:18,777 --> 00:00:21,090 yes, and I loved it, "Shampoo." 5 00:00:22,608 --> 00:00:23,471 - [George] Sorry. 6 00:00:24,438 --> 00:00:25,370 - "Caligula." 7 00:00:26,785 --> 00:00:28,683 "Caligula," how old was I when "Caligula" came out? 8 00:00:28,718 --> 00:00:30,409 Was I 12, 11? 9 00:00:30,444 --> 00:00:34,413 - So I never saw nudity in a film, until I was in it. 10 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:37,451 They wouldn't even let me go in to see my own film. 11 00:00:37,485 --> 00:00:39,384 Which was hilarious because I said, 12 00:00:39,418 --> 00:00:42,111 I hate to say, but I was the one who made it rated R. 13 00:00:42,145 --> 00:00:44,044 - Wow, everybody's naked! 14 00:00:44,078 --> 00:00:46,080 And they're touching each other, oh my God. 15 00:00:46,115 --> 00:00:49,601 - "Blue Lagoon," Brooke Shields. 16 00:00:49,635 --> 00:00:51,120 - I mean I'm sure I did see, 17 00:00:51,154 --> 00:00:53,432 "Fast Times at Ridgemont High," when I was younger. 18 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:55,400 - Well Hedy Lamarr, I think, did 19 00:00:55,434 --> 00:00:58,644 a Swedish picture called, "Ekstase," "Ecstasy." 20 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:00,474 - "Bid Bad Mama." 21 00:01:00,508 --> 00:01:02,200 So when we found out that Angie Dickinson 22 00:01:02,234 --> 00:01:05,444 was doing a nude scene, oh yes, we went to the drive in. 23 00:01:05,479 --> 00:01:08,447 - The one with Marlon Brando with the French Movie, 24 00:01:08,482 --> 00:01:11,381 the Bertolucci movie, the butter. 25 00:01:11,416 --> 00:01:13,659 [laughing] 26 00:01:16,145 --> 00:01:17,939 Yeah, "Last Tango in Paris." 27 00:01:17,974 --> 00:01:21,115 - My own movie with my sister, Margo. 28 00:01:21,150 --> 00:01:24,084 I don't think she was fully nude, but she'd been raped, 29 00:01:24,118 --> 00:01:27,501 and I saw her breasts, and I was mortified. 30 00:01:27,535 --> 00:01:30,814 - Pornos maybe I saw when I was young. 31 00:01:30,849 --> 00:01:32,989 [grunting] 32 00:01:33,023 --> 00:01:34,508 - I'd never seen a movie where an actress 33 00:01:34,542 --> 00:01:37,166 just took her top off and there was nothing underneath. 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,478 Whoa, wow, anything is possible. 35 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:46,451 [calm music] 36 00:01:46,485 --> 00:01:49,178 - Right now we're in a very interesting time where people 37 00:01:49,212 --> 00:01:53,354 are very aware of power dynamics, and especially 38 00:01:53,389 --> 00:01:55,874 when they pertain to sexuality. 39 00:01:55,908 --> 00:01:59,498 And this is all the result of the Me Too 40 00:01:59,533 --> 00:02:02,950 movement that hit Hollywood in 2017. 41 00:02:02,984 --> 00:02:05,677 - First though, we begin with the growing Me Too movement. 42 00:02:05,711 --> 00:02:07,851 Hundreds marching down Hollywood Boulevard. 43 00:02:07,886 --> 00:02:10,958 - Evidence of new rape allegations against Harvey Weinstein. 44 00:02:10,992 --> 00:02:12,339 - Actor Richard Dreyfuss is 45 00:02:12,373 --> 00:02:14,064 the latest big name to be accused. 46 00:02:14,099 --> 00:02:15,721 - [Reporter] A new allegation of sexual assault. 47 00:02:15,756 --> 00:02:16,895 - [Reporter] Claiming actor, 48 00:02:16,929 --> 00:02:18,655 Steven Seagal, sexually assaulted-- 49 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:21,175 - Three women have now accused Dustin Hoffman. 50 00:02:21,210 --> 00:02:23,315 - Five women have come forward accusing-- 51 00:02:24,213 --> 00:02:27,388 [all talking at once] 52 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:38,054 - Now with the think it's really important 53 00:02:38,088 --> 00:02:42,058 for women to know that nudity in film is a choice. 54 00:02:42,092 --> 00:02:44,405 And it's never an expectation. 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,720 - For, "Striptease," when we all had our final audition, 56 00:02:48,754 --> 00:02:51,654 we had to all perform a dance that we 57 00:02:51,688 --> 00:02:54,312 choreographed ourself, chose our own music. 58 00:02:54,346 --> 00:02:57,936 And during that dance we had to take off our top. 59 00:02:59,109 --> 00:03:00,352 We didn't even have the role yet, 60 00:03:00,387 --> 00:03:02,837 and we're already doing nudity. 61 00:03:02,872 --> 00:03:07,808 Which was awkward but I did it. 62 00:03:08,947 --> 00:03:10,362 - You never audition with nudity. 63 00:03:10,397 --> 00:03:14,263 You never, I never had to take my clothes to get a part. 64 00:03:14,297 --> 00:03:18,922 - There is no just reason for 30, 40, 50 people 65 00:03:18,957 --> 00:03:22,409 milling around when a nude scene is happening. 66 00:03:22,443 --> 00:03:25,274 I think lawyers that represent actresses 67 00:03:25,308 --> 00:03:28,725 are getting very aggressive in how they 68 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,520 are writing the nudity riders. 69 00:03:30,555 --> 00:03:33,937 - There's an actual contract, part of the contract, 70 00:03:33,972 --> 00:03:37,078 called a nudity rider where they get very specific 71 00:03:37,113 --> 00:03:39,529 about what you will and what you won't do. 72 00:03:39,564 --> 00:03:41,566 So when you get on set you're protected. 73 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,948 Because there are times where you get on a set, 74 00:03:44,983 --> 00:03:48,262 and you agreed to do a certain amount of nudity, 75 00:03:48,297 --> 00:03:51,092 and the director will try to push those limits. 76 00:03:51,127 --> 00:03:53,302 - We went to the set of the HBO series, "The Deuce," 77 00:03:53,336 --> 00:03:56,960 where they have a new job called Intimacy Coordinator. 78 00:03:56,995 --> 00:03:59,756 - And if you are asking your actors too simply 79 00:03:59,791 --> 00:04:02,552 roll around naked with each other, or even just with 80 00:04:02,587 --> 00:04:06,004 a piece of cloth between them, and get off on each other, 81 00:04:06,038 --> 00:04:08,489 you're asking your actors to do sex work. 82 00:04:08,524 --> 00:04:12,424 And, besides being in violation of our union standards, 83 00:04:12,459 --> 00:04:17,291 is also not what these actors are hired to do, I would hope. 84 00:04:17,326 --> 00:04:21,088 - As an actress, I have to say that once I did nudity, 85 00:04:21,122 --> 00:04:23,608 I went from being a girl to a woman. 86 00:04:25,230 --> 00:04:30,131 As an actress, I became an actress to an artist. 87 00:04:30,166 --> 00:04:32,824 - There's something about being 88 00:04:32,858 --> 00:04:36,931 free from the hindrance of clothing. 89 00:04:36,966 --> 00:04:41,971 There is a real essence of strength of character and mind. 90 00:04:42,903 --> 00:04:44,663 Because it's just raw me. 91 00:04:44,698 --> 00:04:47,632 And I'm not trying to be anything other than 92 00:04:47,666 --> 00:04:52,326 what is my physicality and what is my mind behind that. 93 00:04:52,361 --> 00:04:54,432 - I didn't know if they were saying I was a good actress, 94 00:04:54,466 --> 00:04:56,848 or if I was, they just liked to see me naked. 95 00:04:56,882 --> 00:04:59,437 I think that the whole idea of feeling, 96 00:04:59,471 --> 00:05:02,681 when you're a young actress, that here it goes, 97 00:05:02,716 --> 00:05:04,511 it's inevitable, I'm gonna have to do nudity 98 00:05:04,545 --> 00:05:06,306 or I'm not gonna get anywhere 99 00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,308 is part of a much bigger story. 100 00:05:08,342 --> 00:05:12,346 - Nudity is never gonna go away. 101 00:05:12,381 --> 00:05:16,557 It's something we're always fascinated by. 102 00:05:18,732 --> 00:05:20,527 I think it's educational. 103 00:05:20,561 --> 00:05:25,566 - The purpose of art is to take what we have now, 104 00:05:26,395 --> 00:05:28,224 and argue with eternity that 105 00:05:28,258 --> 00:05:30,813 it belongs in the eternal dialogue. 106 00:05:30,847 --> 00:05:35,093 That's what advances us as a culture, us as a society. 107 00:05:35,127 --> 00:05:37,751 I think that there's that impulse to 108 00:05:37,785 --> 00:05:41,858 hold on to anything that is fleeting. 109 00:05:41,893 --> 00:05:44,344 And the nude is just, it's seen as perfection. 110 00:05:44,378 --> 00:05:45,621 It's seen as eternal. 111 00:05:47,623 --> 00:05:50,488 The human body between then and now is, 112 00:05:50,522 --> 00:05:54,250 the only difference is what is sexually attractive, 113 00:05:54,284 --> 00:05:57,391 what isn't sexually attractive, and those things change too. 114 00:05:57,426 --> 00:06:00,394 The day after Michelangelo died, 115 00:06:00,429 --> 00:06:04,294 the Pope hired an artist to come in and start painting. 116 00:06:04,329 --> 00:06:07,608 Because in that time span, nudity had gone 117 00:06:07,643 --> 00:06:09,058 from something that was acceptable, 118 00:06:09,092 --> 00:06:11,232 and especially comprehensible. 119 00:06:11,267 --> 00:06:14,926 All of a sudden nudity was totally unacceptable. 120 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,687 So we see the pendulum of conservative and liberal just. 121 00:06:17,722 --> 00:06:20,380 And of course in cinema it's the same thing. 122 00:06:20,414 --> 00:06:21,553 When you're at a museum, 123 00:06:21,588 --> 00:06:23,762 or you're at home looking at a painting, 124 00:06:23,797 --> 00:06:25,971 you're looking at that illusionistic window. 125 00:06:26,006 --> 00:06:29,699 It's almost the same proportions as a cinema frame. 126 00:06:29,734 --> 00:06:32,944 Cinema is painting, it's got the movement, 127 00:06:32,978 --> 00:06:35,429 the precise reproduction and the narrative 128 00:06:35,464 --> 00:06:37,258 of great Renaissance paintings. 129 00:06:37,293 --> 00:06:39,640 [calm music] 130 00:06:47,337 --> 00:06:49,961 - Probably 20 minutes after they invented film, 131 00:06:49,995 --> 00:06:51,790 somebody thought, wouldn't it be neat 132 00:06:51,825 --> 00:06:54,828 if we started photographing naked people? 133 00:06:54,862 --> 00:06:56,623 And so I think there's been nudity since 134 00:06:56,657 --> 00:06:58,176 the very early days, in fact, you might even say 135 00:06:58,210 --> 00:07:02,111 there's been nudity in films from before there were films. 136 00:07:02,145 --> 00:07:05,114 [calm music] 137 00:07:05,148 --> 00:07:08,082 Eadweard Muybridge, a famous photographer, began 138 00:07:08,117 --> 00:07:12,501 experimenting photographing animals and humans in motion. 139 00:07:12,535 --> 00:07:15,193 And the human beings were almost always naked. 140 00:07:17,713 --> 00:07:20,992 - He was pioneering film maker. 141 00:07:21,026 --> 00:07:24,167 And they were also pioneering nudes. 142 00:07:26,238 --> 00:07:27,826 - [Jonathan] And then once movies kind of go out 143 00:07:27,861 --> 00:07:31,761 to the public as an entertainment form, by the 1890s, 144 00:07:31,796 --> 00:07:34,592 I'm sure there were probably clandestine 145 00:07:34,626 --> 00:07:37,802 nudies and photographs of naked people. 146 00:07:40,390 --> 00:07:43,324 At the turn to the 20th century movies were 147 00:07:43,359 --> 00:07:46,811 very very short, maybe lasting a minute in length. 148 00:07:46,845 --> 00:07:48,019 They were mostly just, you might say, 149 00:07:48,053 --> 00:07:49,883 sensations or attractions. 150 00:07:51,401 --> 00:07:55,302 Georges Melies, in 1897 made a film, "After the Ball," 151 00:07:55,336 --> 00:07:58,029 which featured a woman who later became his wife. 152 00:07:58,063 --> 00:07:59,651 - It's very quick, you don't see a whole lot. 153 00:07:59,686 --> 00:08:02,171 I think mostly you see her rear. 154 00:08:02,205 --> 00:08:04,829 But it was still risque for the time, 155 00:08:04,863 --> 00:08:06,520 something that people had not seen. 156 00:08:06,555 --> 00:08:08,315 So it caused quite a stir. 157 00:08:08,349 --> 00:08:12,975 - Well around 1913, 1914 a group of Eastern filmmakers 158 00:08:13,009 --> 00:08:17,566 like Carl Laemmle, D.W. Griffith, Cecil B. Demille, 159 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,361 decided that the weather in New England, 160 00:08:20,396 --> 00:08:23,572 and the unions in New England weren't 161 00:08:23,606 --> 00:08:26,160 worth dealing with much longer. 162 00:08:26,195 --> 00:08:27,679 And they decided to come out to California, 163 00:08:27,714 --> 00:08:30,199 which is the perfect place for motion picture making. 164 00:08:30,233 --> 00:08:34,237 It's like God created a state that'd be perfect for 165 00:08:34,272 --> 00:08:37,068 this new industry art, where you've basically 166 00:08:37,102 --> 00:08:39,726 got great clear weather, sunny weather. 167 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:44,420 And the key here is probably 1915, when D.W. Griffith 168 00:08:44,454 --> 00:08:47,181 produces and directs, "The Birth of a Nation," 169 00:08:47,216 --> 00:08:49,114 which I think you can probably consider 170 00:08:49,149 --> 00:08:52,946 the landmark flagship motion picture that 171 00:08:52,980 --> 00:08:56,018 begins what we think of as the narrative feature film 172 00:08:56,052 --> 00:08:58,917 that will be an evening's entertainment. 173 00:08:58,952 --> 00:09:03,957 - The thing that really invented nudity in films in America, 174 00:09:05,406 --> 00:09:06,891 ironically, was the greatest inventor in American history. 175 00:09:06,925 --> 00:09:09,341 And that would be Thomas Alva Edison. 176 00:09:10,722 --> 00:09:14,450 Edison claimed to have invented the motion picture camera, 177 00:09:14,484 --> 00:09:17,280 and the motion picture projector. 178 00:09:17,315 --> 00:09:20,594 He didn't, the Lumiere brothers of France did. 179 00:09:20,629 --> 00:09:23,114 But he was strong enough in the United States 180 00:09:23,148 --> 00:09:25,599 to say that he did it, and got patents on 181 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:27,636 the motion picture projector and camera. 182 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:29,603 So he then said that anyone who wanted to show 183 00:09:29,638 --> 00:09:32,330 a motion picture had to pay a license fee. 184 00:09:32,364 --> 00:09:34,125 And he formed something called The Trust, 185 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:36,886 which was a monopoly that said if you want to do a picture 186 00:09:36,921 --> 00:09:39,958 in the United States, you have to pay Thomas Edison 187 00:09:39,993 --> 00:09:43,134 and The Trust in order to show a picture. 188 00:09:43,168 --> 00:09:44,445 People didn't want to pay that. 189 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,656 So a very small segment, called The Independents, 190 00:09:47,690 --> 00:09:49,796 decided we're gonna make our own movies. 191 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:52,143 The problem they had was they weren't powerful, 192 00:09:52,177 --> 00:09:53,972 like the monopoly of The Trust, 193 00:09:54,007 --> 00:09:55,664 so they had to come up with a gimmick 194 00:09:55,698 --> 00:09:58,114 that would be able to allow them to compete. 195 00:09:58,149 --> 00:10:02,394 And they said, maybe we could show skin. 196 00:10:03,568 --> 00:10:04,914 And they knew that it had to have some kind of 197 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:07,296 redeeming social importance, it couldn't be 198 00:10:07,330 --> 00:10:10,471 considering prueent or scandalous. 199 00:10:10,506 --> 00:10:13,785 So they decided to make it based on an artists model. 200 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,650 It was filmed in New York, and the top artist model 201 00:10:16,685 --> 00:10:18,825 was a woman named Audrey Munson. 202 00:10:18,859 --> 00:10:23,208 And Audrey Munson is the inspiration for at least 15 203 00:10:23,243 --> 00:10:26,349 statues and sculptures that are in New York City alone. 204 00:10:26,384 --> 00:10:27,834 So they decided to come up with a movie, 205 00:10:27,868 --> 00:10:30,837 since she was the inspiration of all these sculptors, 206 00:10:30,871 --> 00:10:32,321 and they called it, "Inspiration." 207 00:10:32,355 --> 00:10:33,978 And that was in 1915. 208 00:10:34,012 --> 00:10:35,980 And as long as you were motionless, 209 00:10:36,014 --> 00:10:38,465 and like a tableau, and like a statue, 210 00:10:38,499 --> 00:10:42,158 that wasn't considered to be erotic, or sexual. 211 00:10:42,193 --> 00:10:46,128 It was considered to be artistic and classical. 212 00:10:46,162 --> 00:10:48,889 It was a huge huge success, no surprise. 213 00:10:48,924 --> 00:10:52,134 And she followed up a year later with, "Purity." 214 00:10:52,168 --> 00:10:53,687 Again these all had to have some kind of 215 00:10:53,722 --> 00:10:54,964 redeeming social importance. 216 00:10:54,999 --> 00:10:57,657 She played a dual role, Purity and Virtue. 217 00:10:59,106 --> 00:11:02,731 And she became the most famous actress in America. 218 00:11:02,765 --> 00:11:05,423 And it was a counterpoint to the main guys 219 00:11:05,457 --> 00:11:08,357 that were the big guys, the Edison and The Trust. 220 00:11:08,391 --> 00:11:11,187 They were putting on people like Mary Pickford, 221 00:11:11,222 --> 00:11:13,914 and Lillian Gish, and trying to appeal to a huge audience. 222 00:11:13,949 --> 00:11:16,434 And so they were the girl next door. 223 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:19,333 So the contrast with The Independents putting out 224 00:11:19,368 --> 00:11:23,096 someone who is a nude artist model was certainly, 225 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:24,718 piqued the public's attention. 226 00:11:24,753 --> 00:11:27,031 This story became very tragic, though, after that. 227 00:11:27,065 --> 00:11:32,036 Because she drank mercury in a suicide attempt. 228 00:11:32,070 --> 00:11:34,901 And they said that she was very close to death. 229 00:11:34,935 --> 00:11:39,940 She somehow survived for the next 74 years, 230 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:44,358 dying at age 104 in 1996. 231 00:11:44,393 --> 00:11:46,913 But she was in a sanitarium most of that time. 232 00:11:46,947 --> 00:11:48,604 So it was a very sad end. 233 00:11:48,638 --> 00:11:51,055 And people saw that as somebody poses nude, 234 00:11:51,089 --> 00:11:53,954 and it's the road to ruin and degradation. 235 00:11:55,473 --> 00:11:57,544 - "A Daughter of the Gods," starring Annette Kellermann 236 00:11:57,578 --> 00:12:01,928 for Fox in 1916 has nude swimming scenes. 237 00:12:01,962 --> 00:12:05,794 Annette Kellermann was a swimming star from Australia. 238 00:12:05,828 --> 00:12:10,246 And she was already a star really before she made movies. 239 00:12:10,281 --> 00:12:12,559 - She held all the world records for swimming. 240 00:12:12,593 --> 00:12:17,115 And she also had gotten arrested in Boston in 1907 241 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:19,152 because she a wore a one piece bathing suit, 242 00:12:19,186 --> 00:12:21,119 which was considered scandalous. 243 00:12:21,154 --> 00:12:23,052 - [Jonathan] And the movies that she made in Hollywood 244 00:12:23,087 --> 00:12:26,607 were clearly designed to exploit her swimming abilities. 245 00:12:26,642 --> 00:12:29,749 And in deed, she appears naked, although she has long hair 246 00:12:29,783 --> 00:12:33,097 that artfully covers certain parts of herself. 247 00:12:34,684 --> 00:12:36,825 - She undress but she has tresses, 248 00:12:36,859 --> 00:12:39,103 and they come down and they cover her breasts. 249 00:12:39,137 --> 00:12:41,795 But, because she's moving, as opposed to 250 00:12:41,830 --> 00:12:45,972 what the artist model did, it shifts from side to side. 251 00:12:46,006 --> 00:12:48,146 And there are the first glimpses of actually 252 00:12:48,181 --> 00:12:50,700 bare female flesh in an American film. 253 00:12:50,735 --> 00:12:52,116 And, in fact, there was a movie 254 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:54,290 made of it called, "Million Dollar Mermaid." 255 00:12:54,325 --> 00:12:57,328 And it starred Esther Williams in 1952. 256 00:12:57,362 --> 00:13:01,988 So once the barrier of showing nudity in film 257 00:13:02,022 --> 00:13:03,990 had been crossed then it started 258 00:13:04,024 --> 00:13:05,854 to seep more into the mainstream movies. 259 00:13:05,888 --> 00:13:08,684 And there was a movie in 1916 called "Intolerance," 260 00:13:08,718 --> 00:13:10,651 by the very famous director, D.W. Griffith. 261 00:13:10,686 --> 00:13:13,965 - And one of the historical settings is Babylon. 262 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,038 It shows the debauchery that was going on at the time, 263 00:13:18,073 --> 00:13:22,560 which is I think 500 BC, and how crazy things got. 264 00:13:22,594 --> 00:13:25,943 And part of the debauchery is the extras in the background 265 00:13:25,977 --> 00:13:29,878 baring their breasts, and orgies, 266 00:13:29,912 --> 00:13:33,364 and kind of like a pre Caligula, Caligula in many ways. 267 00:13:33,398 --> 00:13:35,021 - So it enabled them to make 268 00:13:35,055 --> 00:13:37,851 the argument that this had redeeming social importance, 269 00:13:37,886 --> 00:13:39,370 and that it was based on history. 270 00:13:39,404 --> 00:13:42,614 It was not a problem, the audiences ate them up. 271 00:13:43,581 --> 00:13:45,238 [ragtime music] 272 00:13:45,272 --> 00:13:49,380 - From about 1915 to 1927, 273 00:13:49,414 --> 00:13:51,692 the glorious age of silent cinema, 274 00:13:51,727 --> 00:13:55,386 you have the motion picture studios creating 275 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:58,907 the modern assembly line of production. 276 00:13:58,941 --> 00:14:01,426 And at the time movies were considered 277 00:14:01,461 --> 00:14:04,395 a kind of disreputable medium. 278 00:14:04,429 --> 00:14:06,569 - There was some big sex scandals that happened. 279 00:14:06,604 --> 00:14:09,400 In the early '20s, the William Desmond Taylor 280 00:14:09,434 --> 00:14:11,367 scandal where he was murdered. 281 00:14:11,402 --> 00:14:13,369 And then there was the Fatty Arbuckle problem. 282 00:14:13,404 --> 00:14:15,406 - Headline making scandals involving 283 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,996 drugs, death, suicide, rape. 284 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:20,411 Hollywood was configured as the 285 00:14:20,445 --> 00:14:22,516 kind of Sodom on the Pacific. 286 00:14:22,551 --> 00:14:23,793 - People don't realize that movies 287 00:14:23,828 --> 00:14:27,521 were really risque back in the '20s. 288 00:14:27,556 --> 00:14:30,421 - It was coming off of something of a social revolution 289 00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:33,389 with regard to women in the 1920s that was beginning 290 00:14:33,424 --> 00:14:35,909 to get reflected in sexual mores. 291 00:14:35,944 --> 00:14:37,946 And those were getting reflected in the movies. 292 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:41,570 And people who were against where the future was heading, 293 00:14:41,604 --> 00:14:43,710 didn't like it, wanted to head it off, and so they thought 294 00:14:43,744 --> 00:14:46,368 that it would be necessary to have a code. 295 00:14:46,402 --> 00:14:47,956 - Hollywood had a huge public 296 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:49,612 relations problem as a result of this. 297 00:14:49,647 --> 00:14:52,408 And of course, Hollywood wants to appeal to everybody. 298 00:14:52,443 --> 00:14:53,962 They make films for the mass audience. 299 00:14:53,996 --> 00:14:55,722 They don't want a black eye. 300 00:14:55,756 --> 00:14:57,827 - In 1927, "Wings," came out. 301 00:14:57,862 --> 00:15:01,210 And it became the first Academy Award winning picture. 302 00:15:01,245 --> 00:15:03,212 But it was scandalous in its own way. 303 00:15:03,247 --> 00:15:05,766 There were two men kissing in the film. 304 00:15:05,801 --> 00:15:07,630 And also Clara Bow, who was considered 305 00:15:07,665 --> 00:15:11,117 a very big star a the time, she exposed her breasts. 306 00:15:12,497 --> 00:15:14,292 And for an acclaimed movie in a big production, 307 00:15:14,327 --> 00:15:17,295 for that to happen it was quite risque at the time. 308 00:15:17,330 --> 00:15:21,506 - And so increasingly, in the late 1920s various groups of 309 00:15:21,541 --> 00:15:24,647 what at the time were called moral guardians, 310 00:15:24,682 --> 00:15:27,788 decide that Hollywood really has a bad influence. 311 00:15:27,823 --> 00:15:29,135 And this will only accelerate 312 00:15:29,169 --> 00:15:32,621 in 1927 with the onset of sound. 313 00:15:32,655 --> 00:15:36,107 ♪ Don't cry Tootsie don't cry 314 00:15:36,142 --> 00:15:39,800 ♪ Goodbye Tootsie goodbye 315 00:15:39,835 --> 00:15:43,528 - Almost overnight the whole industry became sound oriented. 316 00:15:43,563 --> 00:15:46,117 Silent movies were done within a year. 317 00:15:46,152 --> 00:15:47,015 It was during the depression, 318 00:15:47,049 --> 00:15:48,533 people wanted to be cheered up. 319 00:15:48,568 --> 00:15:51,191 So they had sound movies to go to, they had musicals. 320 00:15:51,226 --> 00:15:53,124 They had movies that spoke to them. 321 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:54,988 A lot of the movies reflected 322 00:15:55,023 --> 00:15:56,714 what was going on in society then. 323 00:15:56,748 --> 00:15:59,096 - Then you had sexual innuendo. 324 00:15:59,130 --> 00:16:00,511 That's when you had Mae West. 325 00:16:00,545 --> 00:16:01,857 - I shall die to make you happy. 326 00:16:01,891 --> 00:16:04,204 - Ooh, but you wouldn't be much use to me dead. 327 00:16:05,205 --> 00:16:07,035 - I see a man in your life. 328 00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:10,555 - What, only one? 329 00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:13,627 - All of her films are getting condemned ratings 330 00:16:13,662 --> 00:16:16,216 from the new Legion of Decency. 331 00:16:17,666 --> 00:16:19,668 - They set up a thing called The Catholic Legion of Decency, 332 00:16:19,702 --> 00:16:22,498 which rates movies A, B, or C. 333 00:16:22,533 --> 00:16:24,293 And A is just totally fine. 334 00:16:24,328 --> 00:16:27,538 B is we have some qualms about this but, 335 00:16:27,572 --> 00:16:29,712 if you have to see it, see it. 336 00:16:29,747 --> 00:16:33,026 C is if you see it, you're actually going to go to hell. 337 00:16:33,061 --> 00:16:34,476 [buzzer buzzing] 338 00:16:34,510 --> 00:16:37,513 They would give Catholics the list in church, 339 00:16:37,548 --> 00:16:39,239 and tell them what movies to see. 340 00:16:39,274 --> 00:16:41,345 But it turns out that Catholics 341 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:45,556 would take that list, and go to the movies. 342 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:47,903 They would take the list, they'd say oh, this must be good. 343 00:16:47,937 --> 00:16:49,560 - I love the period right before 344 00:16:49,594 --> 00:16:51,389 the production code kicks in. 345 00:16:51,424 --> 00:16:53,046 When you're watching people like 346 00:16:53,081 --> 00:16:55,186 Busby Berkeley just push the limit 347 00:16:55,221 --> 00:16:57,533 as far as cinema was going to go right then. 348 00:16:57,568 --> 00:16:59,397 All the girls are meant to look naked. 349 00:16:59,432 --> 00:17:01,572 And he knows exactly what he's doing, and that he's 350 00:17:01,606 --> 00:17:04,230 probably not gonna get away with this in a year. 351 00:17:04,264 --> 00:17:06,577 - And there were was censorship boards 352 00:17:06,611 --> 00:17:08,337 popping up all over the country. 353 00:17:08,372 --> 00:17:11,444 Those censorship boards were a huge nuisance, 354 00:17:11,478 --> 00:17:16,035 because they would have to cut their movies for each state. 355 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:17,726 New York State was one of the worst. 356 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,592 And so a lot of the versions of movies that would go out, 357 00:17:21,626 --> 00:17:25,389 would be a lot more racy outside of New York State. 358 00:17:25,423 --> 00:17:28,599 - Movies had no first amendment rights during this period. 359 00:17:28,633 --> 00:17:31,878 In 1915 the Supreme Court ruled that movies 360 00:17:31,912 --> 00:17:33,811 are a business, pure and simple. 361 00:17:33,845 --> 00:17:37,090 And just like meat, going across interstate lines, 362 00:17:37,125 --> 00:17:40,887 movies could be regulated by the states, and by cities. 363 00:17:40,921 --> 00:17:44,097 No first amendment rights at all until 1952. 364 00:17:44,132 --> 00:17:48,481 So if the state can regulate your industry, why not go 365 00:17:48,515 --> 00:17:51,967 for a self regulation scheme that keeps the state, 366 00:17:52,001 --> 00:17:54,935 the city, and especially the feds off your back? 367 00:17:54,970 --> 00:17:58,939 - They decided to try to bring in somebody 368 00:17:58,974 --> 00:18:02,322 who would go to the various states, 369 00:18:02,357 --> 00:18:04,428 and say look you don't need censorship boards. 370 00:18:04,462 --> 00:18:08,570 We'll censor ourselves according to a code of conduct. 371 00:18:08,604 --> 00:18:10,019 - And to allay those fears, 372 00:18:10,054 --> 00:18:13,126 the moguls decide to appoint a front man to head 373 00:18:13,161 --> 00:18:16,957 The Motion Picture Producers and Distributors of America, 374 00:18:16,992 --> 00:18:20,099 which was a cartel of the Hollywood producers. 375 00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:21,824 Where, like a lot of businessmen, 376 00:18:21,859 --> 00:18:24,137 they come together in order to regulate 377 00:18:24,172 --> 00:18:26,519 their own art, and to keep out competition. 378 00:18:26,553 --> 00:18:28,659 - [Jonathan] And he hired Will Hays, 379 00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:31,420 who was the Postmaster General of the United States. 380 00:18:31,455 --> 00:18:35,183 - Who better to determine how Hollywood polices themselves 381 00:18:35,217 --> 00:18:38,151 than the former Postmaster General of the United States? 382 00:18:38,186 --> 00:18:41,327 - The Hays code was created because middle America, 383 00:18:41,361 --> 00:18:44,675 much as it is now, was up in arms about 384 00:18:44,709 --> 00:18:47,643 the scandals going on in Hollywood. 385 00:18:47,678 --> 00:18:50,059 - I mean the Catholics had been at the work of 386 00:18:50,094 --> 00:18:53,132 artistic censorship for nearly 2000 years. 387 00:18:53,166 --> 00:18:55,651 So they really know how to do it. 388 00:18:55,686 --> 00:18:58,344 - And so in 1930 Will Hays gets together 389 00:18:58,378 --> 00:19:01,968 with several key Catholic individuals in Los Angeles, 390 00:19:02,002 --> 00:19:04,833 and he formalizes his don'ts and be carefuls. 391 00:19:04,867 --> 00:19:06,179 He writes them out into a much more 392 00:19:06,214 --> 00:19:09,389 elaborate and specific production code. 393 00:19:09,424 --> 00:19:11,702 - I had to do a lot of research into 394 00:19:11,736 --> 00:19:15,015 the production code administration cuts to film. 395 00:19:15,050 --> 00:19:19,572 Which that was fascinating too, just the minute detail. 396 00:19:19,606 --> 00:19:22,644 The mere suggestion flesh or indecency. 397 00:19:22,678 --> 00:19:24,991 - Well, what the code says about nudity is that 398 00:19:25,025 --> 00:19:28,719 nudity is prohibited, period, full stop. 399 00:19:28,753 --> 00:19:33,586 And that nudity in fact, or in silhouette, is prohibited. 400 00:19:33,620 --> 00:19:35,726 And that other characters in the film 401 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,765 looking at offscreen nudity cannot even pretend it's there, 402 00:19:41,594 --> 00:19:43,665 and gaze upon it licentiously. 403 00:19:43,699 --> 00:19:46,081 - The nice thing about Will Hays is that Will Hays 404 00:19:46,115 --> 00:19:48,911 couldn't care less about morality, couldn't care less. 405 00:19:48,946 --> 00:19:52,052 He was making 100,000 dollars from the studios. 406 00:19:52,087 --> 00:19:55,746 And was basically like Jack Valenti later on. 407 00:19:55,780 --> 00:19:58,231 He worked for the studios, and he cared about the studios, 408 00:19:58,266 --> 00:19:59,508 and that's where his loyalty was. 409 00:19:59,543 --> 00:20:02,753 - We look back at Will Hays now and can have many, 410 00:20:04,133 --> 00:20:07,447 many laughs about it because everything was so, 411 00:20:07,482 --> 00:20:09,518 thou shall not do this, you should not have that. 412 00:20:09,553 --> 00:20:12,418 No nudity, no this, no that, and nothing licentious 413 00:20:12,452 --> 00:20:15,179 or lecherous, and used words that were very 414 00:20:17,181 --> 00:20:20,357 value judgment triggers. 415 00:20:20,391 --> 00:20:23,429 - The term pre-code does not really refer to 416 00:20:23,463 --> 00:20:26,777 before the code, but before the enforcement of the code. 417 00:20:26,811 --> 00:20:28,813 Because the code existed throughout the pre-code era, 418 00:20:28,848 --> 00:20:31,160 but it just wasn't enforced, fortunately. 419 00:20:31,195 --> 00:20:33,784 The studios thought that the code, in 1930, 420 00:20:33,818 --> 00:20:35,786 was a public relations ploy and they had 421 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:38,237 absolutely no intention of enforcing it. 422 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:39,583 - There were many companies, of course, 423 00:20:39,617 --> 00:20:42,793 in the red, facing bankruptcy, who were desperate. 424 00:20:42,827 --> 00:20:45,002 And in particular, Paramount and Warner Brothers. 425 00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:47,453 They felt they couldn't be limited by the production code. 426 00:20:47,487 --> 00:20:49,006 They needed their sex to sell 427 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,111 their movies during these desperate times. 428 00:20:51,146 --> 00:20:52,975 - So you have these pre-code films 429 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:54,529 that really got away with a lot. 430 00:20:56,703 --> 00:20:58,326 - [Mick] The movie that really got them 431 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,640 to enforce the code was, "The Sign of the Cross," from 1932. 432 00:21:02,675 --> 00:21:04,746 - "Sign of the The Cross," is filled with sex, 433 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:07,335 filled with nudity, filled with homosexuality, 434 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:10,096 filled with bestiality, everything you can think of 435 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:12,823 that's not terribly Christian that's in the Bible. 436 00:21:12,857 --> 00:21:15,619 - [Mick] "Sign of the Cross," displays Claudette Colbert 437 00:21:15,653 --> 00:21:17,655 in a way that the production code 438 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:20,693 of 1934 certainly would not have allowed. 439 00:21:20,727 --> 00:21:23,005 - You see her breasts bobbing up in the water, 440 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,318 but no one said a word, pre-code. 441 00:21:25,353 --> 00:21:27,320 And DeMille had a foot fetish. 442 00:21:27,355 --> 00:21:29,943 And he had some kind of really unhealthy 443 00:21:29,978 --> 00:21:33,326 connection between nude women and gorillas. 444 00:21:33,361 --> 00:21:36,191 And in, "The Sign of the Cross," we have a sequence where 445 00:21:36,225 --> 00:21:39,815 a Christian woman is tied to a post. 446 00:21:39,850 --> 00:21:44,233 And this very horny looking gorilla is walking towards her 447 00:21:44,268 --> 00:21:48,203 as if there's gonna be a sexual, this is 1932. 448 00:21:48,237 --> 00:21:52,966 Because DeMille for all his puritanical preaching, 449 00:21:53,001 --> 00:21:55,555 he showed you every vice under the sun. 450 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:58,351 - It's very interesting, because it looks like, 451 00:21:58,386 --> 00:22:01,906 had the code not come in, there would have been nudity. 452 00:22:01,941 --> 00:22:05,393 Because it was, nudity was coming, it was really clear. 453 00:22:05,427 --> 00:22:08,188 "Murder at the Vanities," you see the women are nude 454 00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:10,087 but they're covering their nipples. 455 00:22:12,538 --> 00:22:17,543 ♪ And then you put me to sleep 456 00:22:18,406 --> 00:22:21,857 ♪ Sweet marijuana marijuana 457 00:22:26,103 --> 00:22:29,727 - That was followed one year later, in 1933 by, "Ecstasy," 458 00:22:29,762 --> 00:22:32,523 which is one of the most notorious movies ever made. 459 00:22:32,558 --> 00:22:34,732 It was actually shot in Hungary. 460 00:22:34,767 --> 00:22:37,735 - My father told me about Hedy Lamarr, 461 00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:40,738 and that he was so struck by her. 462 00:22:40,773 --> 00:22:42,568 Because that was really for him the first, 463 00:22:42,602 --> 00:22:46,261 I think probably the first time he'd seen a nude woman. 464 00:22:46,295 --> 00:22:49,264 So he would have been very young when he saw, "Ecstasy." 465 00:22:49,298 --> 00:22:50,507 And he probably saw an early 466 00:22:50,541 --> 00:22:52,854 cut of it, because of his father. 467 00:22:52,888 --> 00:22:54,269 - [Jonathan] And the scene takes place. 468 00:22:54,303 --> 00:22:58,100 She's out in a lake swimming, and she's draped 469 00:22:58,135 --> 00:23:00,620 her clothes over her horse, and the horse runs away. 470 00:23:00,655 --> 00:23:01,932 So she has to run after the horse 471 00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:03,692 in order to retrieve her clothes. 472 00:23:03,727 --> 00:23:06,281 So she runs through the woods, 473 00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:08,248 and she is full frontal nude. 474 00:23:08,283 --> 00:23:11,390 - [Mick] The scene is something that is just so eye popping, 475 00:23:11,424 --> 00:23:14,634 in the context of Hollywood film in the 1930s. 476 00:23:14,669 --> 00:23:16,222 It's truly amazing. 477 00:23:16,256 --> 00:23:19,777 Now the film, of course, didn't get a production code seal. 478 00:23:19,812 --> 00:23:23,332 - And then he said, a few years later, when she came 479 00:23:23,367 --> 00:23:25,645 to Hollywood she came for dinner at the house. 480 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,580 And he told me he couldn't take his eyes off of her breasts. 481 00:23:29,615 --> 00:23:31,340 - [Jonathan] "Ecstasy," would have been censored 482 00:23:31,375 --> 00:23:34,758 by city agencies, by state agencies. 483 00:23:34,792 --> 00:23:36,725 It would probably show for a couple of nights 484 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,002 at your local theater before the 485 00:23:38,037 --> 00:23:40,729 local cops came in and shut it down. 486 00:23:40,764 --> 00:23:42,628 And it might have been shown in a censored version, 487 00:23:42,662 --> 00:23:45,320 despite how it would have been advertised. 488 00:23:45,354 --> 00:23:47,426 Because there's nothing like it 489 00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:49,911 in Hollywood cinema in the '30s and '40s. 490 00:23:49,945 --> 00:23:52,983 - That is maybe the first sex scene 491 00:23:53,017 --> 00:23:56,020 based on female pleasure, full stop. 492 00:23:56,055 --> 00:23:57,643 If you've seen it, you know what I mean. 493 00:23:57,677 --> 00:24:00,749 - Throughout the pre-code era, you'd occasionally 494 00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:03,027 get glimpses of nudity in film. 495 00:24:03,062 --> 00:24:07,307 And maybe the most notorious example, "Tarzan and His Mate." 496 00:24:07,342 --> 00:24:09,482 - And this was a ploy used by a lot of the producers. 497 00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:11,035 Because if you set it in 498 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:13,624 a native country, or native setting-- 499 00:24:13,659 --> 00:24:15,661 - Wait, Tarzan. [screaming] 500 00:24:15,695 --> 00:24:17,214 [dress tearing] 501 00:24:17,248 --> 00:24:18,836 - [Barry] People didn't wear clothes in the jungle. 502 00:24:18,871 --> 00:24:21,045 There's a scene where Tarzan and Jane 503 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,290 swim underwater in the nude. 504 00:24:24,324 --> 00:24:25,947 And a lot of of people that was, 505 00:24:25,981 --> 00:24:28,639 or were supposed to think that was Maureen O'Sullivan, 506 00:24:28,674 --> 00:24:30,676 but it was not, it was a body double. 507 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:31,953 And that's the first instance of 508 00:24:31,987 --> 00:24:35,059 a body double being used for a nude scene. 509 00:24:35,094 --> 00:24:37,993 - In the context of Hollywood cinema this was abhorrent. 510 00:24:38,028 --> 00:24:41,549 And it have of a sort of picture of what Hollywood cinema 511 00:24:41,583 --> 00:24:44,034 might have been like had not the production code 512 00:24:44,068 --> 00:24:48,003 come in and busted up the party in 1934. 513 00:24:48,038 --> 00:24:50,868 - And then in the very last pre-code movie, 514 00:24:50,903 --> 00:24:52,732 which was actually released after the code, 515 00:24:52,767 --> 00:24:56,529 but it was approved, somehow, before the code. 516 00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:59,808 And then it wasn't, it didn't go through the process. 517 00:24:59,843 --> 00:25:01,534 It was, "Scarlet Empress." 518 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,537 And, "The Scarlet Empress," actually begins 519 00:25:04,572 --> 00:25:07,540 with a torture scene of women getting 520 00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:09,577 burned as witches and they're all naked. 521 00:25:10,578 --> 00:25:13,373 [calm music] 522 00:25:13,408 --> 00:25:15,859 - Then the production code came in in 1934. 523 00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:20,553 And that was Joseph Breen, who was a censor, 524 00:25:20,588 --> 00:25:22,831 a religious man, a moral police. 525 00:25:22,866 --> 00:25:25,247 And basically just decreed that no film could be made 526 00:25:25,282 --> 00:25:27,836 in America unless it passed muster with him. 527 00:25:27,871 --> 00:25:31,081 - He's the guy who quite literally put his imprint 528 00:25:31,115 --> 00:25:34,394 on every classical Hollywood film. 529 00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:37,846 - It may interest you to sit in with us at a meeting of 530 00:25:37,881 --> 00:25:41,919 the production code administration in Hollywood, 531 00:25:41,954 --> 00:25:46,268 where we are working for finer and better motion pictures. 532 00:25:46,303 --> 00:25:49,375 Form the very beginning of the picture we work 533 00:25:49,409 --> 00:25:52,792 with producers, authors, and all who are connected 534 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:57,038 with the production to the end, that the finished product 535 00:25:57,072 --> 00:25:59,765 may be free from reasonable objection. 536 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:04,252 - There's a strong case to be made that the Hays code, 537 00:26:04,286 --> 00:26:06,944 or rather the Breen code, that's really what it was, 538 00:26:06,979 --> 00:26:09,464 changed not only the morality of movies, 539 00:26:09,498 --> 00:26:10,741 but changed the morality of the country 540 00:26:10,776 --> 00:26:12,950 because of the influence that movies had. 541 00:26:12,985 --> 00:26:16,782 Breen was the guy who actually regulated Hollywood cinema 542 00:26:16,816 --> 00:26:20,613 from 1934 to 1954, basically what we think of 543 00:26:20,648 --> 00:26:23,478 as the classical studio system era. 544 00:26:23,512 --> 00:26:26,343 But they give Breen the power to actually 545 00:26:26,377 --> 00:26:28,448 forbid financing of a motion picture. 546 00:26:28,483 --> 00:26:32,176 Without Breen's green light, a Hollywood studio, could not 547 00:26:32,211 --> 00:26:35,179 get financing from the banks in New York to make the film. 548 00:26:35,214 --> 00:26:36,733 - If the code movies that were made 549 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,321 in the '30s and '40s teach us anything, 550 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:43,118 is that there are ways around stuff to suggest 551 00:26:44,533 --> 00:26:48,676 the most vile things without actually having to show them. 552 00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:51,644 - One of the first films that defied the moral order 553 00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:54,543 of the production code, and the production code authority 554 00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:55,614 is Howard Hughes', "The Outlaw." 555 00:26:55,648 --> 00:26:58,133 - What do you know about that? 556 00:26:58,168 --> 00:27:01,550 - Which is basically a five year long dispute 557 00:27:01,585 --> 00:27:05,658 that Howard Hughes has with the Breen office beginning in '41 558 00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:09,524 into '43, and then it gets sort of released in '46, 559 00:27:09,558 --> 00:27:12,769 in which it's advertising campaign is perhaps the most, 560 00:27:12,803 --> 00:27:16,013 in the Breen office eyes, most offensive thing about it, 561 00:27:16,048 --> 00:27:19,189 in which there'd be billboards enticing audiences 562 00:27:19,223 --> 00:27:21,881 with the tag line, "What are the two great reasons 563 00:27:21,916 --> 00:27:24,159 "to see Jane Russell in The Outlaw?" 564 00:27:24,194 --> 00:27:29,199 They actually hired a blimp to go over San Francisco 565 00:27:30,579 --> 00:27:32,581 advertising the film as well, and the blimp imagery, 566 00:27:32,616 --> 00:27:35,481 and Jane Russell imagery is kind of obvious. 567 00:27:35,515 --> 00:27:39,485 - For a long time nudity was considered a career breaker. 568 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,350 And in 1952, Marilyn Monroe was 569 00:27:42,384 --> 00:27:43,972 just starting to make it as a starlet. 570 00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,699 And a gossip columnist found out that there had been 571 00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:49,909 a calendar that Marilyn had posed for in 1949. 572 00:27:49,944 --> 00:27:52,394 So they called a press conference. 573 00:27:52,429 --> 00:27:53,672 And they asked her, and they said 574 00:27:53,706 --> 00:27:55,501 what did you have on in the calendar photo? 575 00:27:55,535 --> 00:27:57,537 And she said the radio. 576 00:27:57,572 --> 00:27:59,712 So it went from being a negative to a positive. 577 00:27:59,747 --> 00:28:01,334 And I think that's what changed 578 00:28:01,369 --> 00:28:05,718 the whole ethos of nudity in film. 579 00:28:05,753 --> 00:28:07,720 - In the 1950s there's a growing market 580 00:28:07,755 --> 00:28:09,584 for what were calling nudies. 581 00:28:09,618 --> 00:28:12,587 And these are basically cheap 16, 35 millimeter 582 00:28:12,621 --> 00:28:17,247 films sometimes, of films, not production code films, 583 00:28:17,281 --> 00:28:19,870 they would never get a production code seal. 584 00:28:19,905 --> 00:28:22,355 - In the mid to late 50's you had 585 00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:24,841 these things called nudist films. 586 00:28:24,875 --> 00:28:28,845 - In 1954 the New York State Board of Appeals ruled 587 00:28:28,879 --> 00:28:31,399 in the case of a motion picture called, "Garden of Eden," 588 00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,919 that nudity per se was not obscene. 589 00:28:33,953 --> 00:28:35,852 And this, of course, opens the floodgates 590 00:28:35,886 --> 00:28:38,647 for filmmakers to portray on screen nudity, 591 00:28:38,682 --> 00:28:40,270 in a way they couldn't before. 592 00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:42,410 - The production code was starting to fall apart. 593 00:28:42,444 --> 00:28:45,206 You had people like Otto Preminger making movies 594 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,382 that were being show without the seal of approval. 595 00:28:49,417 --> 00:28:52,454 So the mores of the world was changing. 596 00:28:52,489 --> 00:28:53,662 - In nudie movies, originally, 597 00:28:53,697 --> 00:28:55,043 it was like girls playing volleyball. 598 00:28:55,078 --> 00:28:57,459 And so they would chat, and they would swim. 599 00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,567 They were nudist camp movies, basically. 600 00:29:01,601 --> 00:29:02,637 Nothing ever happened in them, 601 00:29:02,671 --> 00:29:04,156 they weren't very interesting. 602 00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:06,123 In, "A Shot in the Dark," there's a very funny scene 603 00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:08,298 in a nudist colony with Peter Sellers, 604 00:29:08,332 --> 00:29:11,163 which is a pretty accurate representation 605 00:29:11,197 --> 00:29:13,130 of what nudist colonies were like at the time. 606 00:29:13,165 --> 00:29:15,098 - And so if it was couched in 607 00:29:15,132 --> 00:29:20,137 the terms of health, fitness, exercise. 608 00:29:21,552 --> 00:29:23,416 - There used to be theaters that were called art theaters. 609 00:29:23,451 --> 00:29:27,144 And they were in all towns, all over the place, mostly in cities. 610 00:29:27,179 --> 00:29:31,114 - So the nudie cuties, they wanted to stay under the radar. 611 00:29:31,148 --> 00:29:32,805 Because that's how they made their money. 612 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,982 - These films would also to play to men at like a bachelor party. 613 00:29:37,016 --> 00:29:39,985 Somebody had set up a 16 millimeter projector, 614 00:29:40,019 --> 00:29:42,539 and show what were called either blue movies, 615 00:29:42,573 --> 00:29:46,163 in the '20s or '30s, or later stag films 616 00:29:46,198 --> 00:29:48,683 or nudies in the '50s and '60s. 617 00:29:48,717 --> 00:29:52,445 - Well, there was a subset of nudie pictures, away from 618 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,103 the nudist camp movies, which were basically boring, 619 00:29:55,138 --> 00:29:59,383 in which they would add a note of menace by having 620 00:30:00,833 --> 00:30:03,974 somebody scary show up and chase the girls around. 621 00:30:04,009 --> 00:30:06,183 - These type of movies, with the damsel in distress, 622 00:30:06,218 --> 00:30:10,118 and damsel in undress were referred to as monster nudies. 623 00:30:10,153 --> 00:30:11,671 - [Joe] There was a movie called, 624 00:30:11,706 --> 00:30:12,845 "The Monster of Camp Sunshine," 625 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,019 where it was supposed to be a gorilla, 626 00:30:14,053 --> 00:30:15,537 but it was played by a chimpanzee. 627 00:30:15,572 --> 00:30:19,645 And then Ed Wood, in his waning years, was unfortunately reduced to doing 628 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:22,061 some of these pictures, "Orgy of the Dead," was one. 629 00:30:22,096 --> 00:30:25,824 - It's an excuse for a bunch of exotic dancers 630 00:30:25,858 --> 00:30:29,379 to come out one by one and do a really lame, 631 00:30:30,898 --> 00:30:33,176 completely not sexy, dance. 632 00:30:33,210 --> 00:30:34,591 - And then there's-- 633 00:30:34,625 --> 00:30:35,419 - Kiss me quick. 634 00:30:35,454 --> 00:30:36,731 - Kiss me, quick. 635 00:30:36,765 --> 00:30:38,906 - Kiss me quick. 636 00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:41,391 - "Kiss me Quick," which was a sort of a Russ Meyer 637 00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:44,428 type movie that had the guys in monster masks 638 00:30:44,463 --> 00:30:46,258 playing Frankenstein, and Dracula, 639 00:30:46,292 --> 00:30:49,675 or their non-Universal copyrightable versions. 640 00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:51,194 And they would chase the girls around. 641 00:30:51,228 --> 00:30:53,403 There's no erotic content whatsoever in these movies. 642 00:30:53,437 --> 00:30:54,887 They're limp noodle movies. 643 00:30:54,922 --> 00:30:57,545 They're just there to have girls running around, 644 00:30:57,579 --> 00:31:00,444 and get as much action in the frame as possible. 645 00:31:00,479 --> 00:31:02,861 - And then there was some movies called nudie cuties. 646 00:31:02,895 --> 00:31:06,002 If you made it more of a comedy, you could somehow 647 00:31:06,036 --> 00:31:10,075 insert some female nudity in it, and get away with it. 648 00:31:10,109 --> 00:31:11,386 They didn't want to have things that might 649 00:31:11,421 --> 00:31:13,906 inflame the public, and make young men's 650 00:31:13,941 --> 00:31:16,633 minds turn to dangerous things. 651 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:19,808 Doris Wishman was one of the rare female directors 652 00:31:19,843 --> 00:31:21,880 who would be doing movies that had a lot of 653 00:31:21,914 --> 00:31:24,537 what we could T and A in them. 654 00:31:24,572 --> 00:31:26,091 And she did a series of movies with 655 00:31:26,125 --> 00:31:28,576 a very famous stripper named Chesty Morgan, 656 00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:31,441 who had 73 inch natural breasts. 657 00:31:31,475 --> 00:31:33,098 And so she made a movie 658 00:31:33,132 --> 00:31:35,928 with Chesty Morgan called, "Agent 73." 659 00:31:35,963 --> 00:31:37,378 And then she did another movie 660 00:31:37,412 --> 00:31:39,449 with Chesty Morgan called, "Deadly Weapons." 661 00:31:39,483 --> 00:31:41,934 They were Chesty Morgan's natural endowments. 662 00:31:41,969 --> 00:31:43,902 - Doris Wishman did a couple of monster nudies. 663 00:31:43,936 --> 00:31:47,560 But Herschell Gordon Lewis had a different take. 664 00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:50,632 When he did, "Blood Feast," it was a gore film. 665 00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:53,221 It had nudity, and it had a Playboy Playmate in it. 666 00:31:53,256 --> 00:31:56,431 But the appeal of this movie was that you were seeing gore 667 00:31:56,466 --> 00:31:58,640 in a way that you had never seen before. 668 00:31:58,675 --> 00:32:00,125 Pull out the girls tongue, and cut it off. 669 00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:03,128 These were the progenitors of today's gore movies. 670 00:32:03,162 --> 00:32:05,302 They were incredibly crude. 671 00:32:05,337 --> 00:32:08,167 And they were one of the reasons for the creation of 672 00:32:08,202 --> 00:32:09,617 the rating system because they played drive ins. 673 00:32:09,651 --> 00:32:11,481 And people would be driving down the street, 674 00:32:11,515 --> 00:32:13,655 and look up at the screen with their kids in the car. 675 00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:15,485 And there was this woman being disemboweled. 676 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,314 So they were sort of like, 677 00:32:17,349 --> 00:32:18,833 maybe we ought to do something about this. 678 00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:21,767 - Before, "The Godfather," was even a thought in his head, 679 00:32:21,801 --> 00:32:25,115 Francis Ford Coppola started making a couple nudie cuties. 680 00:32:25,150 --> 00:32:27,946 One is the called, "The Bellboy and the Playgirls." 681 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,260 - Russ Meyer had actually gotten his start 682 00:32:32,295 --> 00:32:35,850 making these underground movies, and one of them that was 683 00:32:35,884 --> 00:32:38,128 one of the first American movies that could be shown 684 00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:40,959 with nudity was called, "The Immoral Mr. Teas." 685 00:32:40,993 --> 00:32:43,823 - Russ came along right at the right time. 686 00:32:43,858 --> 00:32:45,549 Because you had these nudist films, 687 00:32:45,584 --> 00:32:46,999 but they were really a dead end. 688 00:32:47,034 --> 00:32:50,175 And he came up with the preposterous idea 689 00:32:50,209 --> 00:32:53,523 that Teas would be able to see through women's clothes. 690 00:32:53,557 --> 00:32:54,834 - And he goes to the dentist, 691 00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:56,560 and he gets a shot of Novocaine. 692 00:32:56,595 --> 00:32:59,011 And next thing he knows, they're naked. 693 00:32:59,046 --> 00:33:02,877 - We did it in four days, cost $24,000. 694 00:33:02,911 --> 00:33:04,327 - [Interviewer] Four days. 695 00:33:04,361 --> 00:33:05,569 And it opened up the floodgates of permissiveness 696 00:33:05,604 --> 00:33:07,744 as we know it in these United States today. 697 00:33:07,778 --> 00:33:08,641 It was a quote from Time Magazine. 698 00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:09,746 I was glad to do it. 699 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:11,679 - It was like a money machine. 700 00:33:11,713 --> 00:33:14,544 And now you had all these people getting in on the act, 701 00:33:14,578 --> 00:33:16,718 making what were called nudie cuties. 702 00:33:16,753 --> 00:33:19,894 But Russ came first, and Russ scored the biggest. 703 00:33:19,928 --> 00:33:24,312 - But it was so outrageous for that time, 704 00:33:24,347 --> 00:33:26,728 to see that much nudity, and to deal with a man 705 00:33:26,763 --> 00:33:29,766 who was a voyeur, who was leching at women. 706 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,389 Heretofore they didn't have anything of that nature. 707 00:33:32,424 --> 00:33:34,046 - Yes the code was still in affect, 708 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:36,773 but it didn't bother him because he was distributing 709 00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:40,018 his movies in a way that it didn't require the system. 710 00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:42,779 "The Immoral Mr. Teas," was like his 711 00:33:42,813 --> 00:33:45,368 peeing on Will Hays' grave. 712 00:33:45,402 --> 00:33:47,404 - "Peeping Tom," was a British art film. 713 00:33:47,439 --> 00:33:49,613 Very disturbing film, even today, 714 00:33:49,648 --> 00:33:52,927 which has nudity in the context of a kind of 715 00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:55,757 voyeuristic murderer who uses the camera 716 00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:58,450 kind of as his surrogate murder weapon. 717 00:33:58,484 --> 00:34:01,763 It opened the the way for foreign films with nudity 718 00:34:01,798 --> 00:34:04,076 to be distributed in the American market. 719 00:34:04,111 --> 00:34:06,630 The landmark film here is the 720 00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:09,806 Brigitte Bardot vehicle, "And God Created Woman." 721 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,566 And it's a huge hit. 722 00:34:11,601 --> 00:34:13,568 - The line was CinemaScope was for 723 00:34:13,603 --> 00:34:17,779 photographing snakes and funerals, but Vadim uses her 724 00:34:17,814 --> 00:34:20,713 stretched out across the screen sunbathing. 725 00:34:20,748 --> 00:34:25,097 It's as much a sort of triumph of the medium 726 00:34:25,132 --> 00:34:28,411 as this triumph of this very sexual moment. 727 00:34:28,445 --> 00:34:31,207 - When I waited in line to see Brigitte Bardot 728 00:34:31,241 --> 00:34:35,659 in, "God Created Woman," I go [gasping] oh wow. 729 00:34:35,694 --> 00:34:38,283 Oh wow, I love it. 730 00:34:38,317 --> 00:34:40,630 - Once they saw the box office returns 731 00:34:40,664 --> 00:34:43,598 for something like that, they realize nudity is something 732 00:34:43,633 --> 00:34:46,153 that Hollywood can traffic in for profit. 733 00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:49,639 - And I think that's what made the beginning of the Indies. 734 00:34:49,673 --> 00:34:53,781 And that's when the studio system went belly up. 735 00:34:53,815 --> 00:34:55,472 They couldn't compete with that. 736 00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:57,992 [calm music] 737 00:34:59,166 --> 00:35:00,926 - The landmark film to me that shows 738 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,101 the production code is walking wounded, 739 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:07,277 is Alfred Hitchcock's film, "Psycho," which has everything 740 00:35:07,312 --> 00:35:09,659 the Breen office would not have approved. 741 00:35:09,693 --> 00:35:11,143 It has sex, it has violence, 742 00:35:11,178 --> 00:35:13,870 it has the relationship between sex and violence. 743 00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:15,458 - And that led to one of the most famous 744 00:35:15,492 --> 00:35:19,186 and harrowing scenes in motion picture history. 745 00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:21,636 Everyone, I think, remembers that Janet Leigh 746 00:35:21,671 --> 00:35:24,708 gets stabbed in the shower by Anthony Perkins. 747 00:35:24,743 --> 00:35:28,298 She would not do a nude scene, she had a no nudity clause. 748 00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:29,334 So they had to get a body double. 749 00:35:29,368 --> 00:35:31,336 And so they hired Marli Renfro, 750 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:34,615 who was an actress and a nude model. 751 00:35:34,649 --> 00:35:37,169 And because it was not Janet Leigh, 752 00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:39,137 Hitchcock had to shoot it in such a way 753 00:35:39,171 --> 00:35:42,036 that you couldn't tell who was actually in the shower. 754 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:44,487 Then you have the swinging '60s, as they were called. 755 00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:46,558 You had the new handsome president, 756 00:35:46,592 --> 00:35:49,526 John F Kennedy after Dwight D. Eisenhower 757 00:35:49,561 --> 00:35:51,010 in a rather conservative period. 758 00:35:51,045 --> 00:35:53,220 And things opened up quite a bit. 759 00:35:53,254 --> 00:35:57,051 Marilyn Monroe was the first actress to prove that nudity 760 00:35:57,085 --> 00:36:00,054 does not destroy a career, it can even help a career. 761 00:36:00,088 --> 00:36:02,298 Marilyn Monroe was hired to do a film 762 00:36:02,332 --> 00:36:04,023 called, "Something's Gotta Give." 763 00:36:04,058 --> 00:36:05,749 And it was kind of her comeback film. 764 00:36:05,784 --> 00:36:08,062 So she said I need to make a splash, 765 00:36:08,096 --> 00:36:09,546 literally in a swimming pool. 766 00:36:09,581 --> 00:36:11,514 And then she went in her dressing room and came out 767 00:36:11,548 --> 00:36:13,688 with a blue bathrobe, and nothing underneath. 768 00:36:13,723 --> 00:36:16,519 And she said nobody looks as good in the nude as I do. 769 00:36:16,553 --> 00:36:20,868 The only nudity that survived was a very quick glimpse. 770 00:36:20,902 --> 00:36:22,076 She comes to the edge of the pool, 771 00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:23,664 and she sits it on the edge of the pool. 772 00:36:23,698 --> 00:36:26,874 And the way she seated you cannot even see her rear end. 773 00:36:26,908 --> 00:36:30,947 And as she gets up, you can see one breast 774 00:36:30,981 --> 00:36:34,744 from the side and her entire rear end. 775 00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:37,091 Marilyn had been tardy so much, 776 00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:39,197 that they were not that far into the film. 777 00:36:39,231 --> 00:36:40,508 And on June eighth, one week after 778 00:36:40,543 --> 00:36:42,924 her 36th birthday, she was fired, permanently. 779 00:36:42,959 --> 00:36:44,547 She was the biggest star in the world. 780 00:36:44,581 --> 00:36:46,238 And if she would do a nude scene, 781 00:36:46,273 --> 00:36:47,929 who wouldn't do a nude scene? 782 00:36:47,964 --> 00:36:50,518 Probably the foremost Marilyn Monroe imitator, 783 00:36:50,553 --> 00:36:52,520 at the time, was Jayne Mansfield. 784 00:36:52,555 --> 00:36:54,591 So she made a movie in 1963. 785 00:36:54,626 --> 00:36:56,904 It was called, "Promises Promises." 786 00:36:56,938 --> 00:36:59,700 - You gotta remember, there was Marilyn Monroe. 787 00:36:59,734 --> 00:37:01,909 And then Jayne Mansfield was 788 00:37:01,943 --> 00:37:04,601 right behind her as far as popularity. 789 00:37:04,636 --> 00:37:07,155 - [Joe] She takes a bubble bath. 790 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:09,399 The bubbles dissipated very quickly, 791 00:37:09,434 --> 00:37:11,953 and all of Jayne was on display. 792 00:37:11,988 --> 00:37:14,646 - She liked to tease. 793 00:37:15,785 --> 00:37:16,613 - [Tommy] Sandy? 794 00:37:17,649 --> 00:37:20,410 - Do you want something, honey? 795 00:37:20,445 --> 00:37:22,136 - No it's all right. 796 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:27,175 - And she knew this, and this is her stock and trade. 797 00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:29,385 - [Joe] Now, the floodgates had been opened. 798 00:37:29,419 --> 00:37:32,940 - [Jim] She was the first celebrity, post Hays commission, 799 00:37:32,974 --> 00:37:35,908 to do a nude scene here in the United States. 800 00:37:35,943 --> 00:37:37,082 - Marilyn Monroe had done it, 801 00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:38,808 and Jayne Mansfield had done it. 802 00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:40,810 Then Mamie Van Doren did a movie called, 803 00:37:40,844 --> 00:37:42,984 "Three Nuts in Search of a Bolt." 804 00:37:43,019 --> 00:37:46,781 ♪ I used to be a stripper down on Main ♪ 805 00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,922 ♪ Now I'm the main attraction on the strip ♪ 806 00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,165 - I tried to break the doors down. 807 00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:52,753 Jayne Mansfield was either one. 808 00:37:52,787 --> 00:37:55,928 And Marilyn was actually the first one. 809 00:37:55,963 --> 00:37:58,862 Hef asked me to do Playboy magazine 810 00:37:58,897 --> 00:38:01,313 many times, and I turned him down. 811 00:38:01,348 --> 00:38:03,039 And I did it this time because 812 00:38:03,073 --> 00:38:05,144 I had a movie connection with him. 813 00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:07,112 It was, "Three Nuts in Search of a Bolt." 814 00:38:07,146 --> 00:38:09,632 I did that movie strictly for money. 815 00:38:09,666 --> 00:38:11,634 There's a beer bath. 816 00:38:11,668 --> 00:38:15,362 So I figured, why not take a beer bath? 817 00:38:15,396 --> 00:38:17,847 It's really makes me feel alive. 818 00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,194 Beer bath, I don't want to do a beer bath. 819 00:38:20,228 --> 00:38:23,818 Come on he said yeah, it'll make more money at the theaters. 820 00:38:23,853 --> 00:38:26,373 And since I own the movie, some of it. 821 00:38:26,407 --> 00:38:27,650 I said, okay I'll do it. 822 00:38:27,684 --> 00:38:31,999 That movie made a lot of money, a lot of money. 823 00:38:32,033 --> 00:38:36,210 And so did the layout in the Playboy magazine. 824 00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:39,178 That was the beginning of me opening the door for nudity. 825 00:38:39,213 --> 00:38:40,352 - Of course there are films where 826 00:38:40,387 --> 00:38:41,871 nudity is important to the story. 827 00:38:41,905 --> 00:38:44,356 "The Pawnbroker", has nothing to do with sex, 828 00:38:44,391 --> 00:38:47,221 but it does use nudity in a very important way. 829 00:38:47,255 --> 00:38:49,568 The film itself is about a guy who suffered 830 00:38:49,603 --> 00:38:52,502 trauma during World War II. 831 00:38:52,537 --> 00:38:54,366 And part of the trauma was seeing 832 00:38:54,401 --> 00:38:56,472 these naked people being murdered. 833 00:38:56,506 --> 00:38:59,889 And so the idea that they felt you had to cut that out 834 00:38:59,923 --> 00:39:02,098 because of it's prurient interest, 835 00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:04,169 was pretty ludicrous to most people. 836 00:39:04,203 --> 00:39:07,068 "The Pawnbroker," was one of the last films, 837 00:39:07,103 --> 00:39:10,037 actually, that had a major production code battle. 838 00:39:10,071 --> 00:39:11,279 It made the production code look 839 00:39:11,314 --> 00:39:13,385 really old fashioned at that point. 840 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:14,386 The production code is gonna be 841 00:39:14,421 --> 00:39:16,112 abandoned within a couple years. 842 00:39:16,146 --> 00:39:18,908 - We started looking to the Europeans, which had been, 843 00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:22,049 of course, using nudity long before we were. 844 00:39:22,083 --> 00:39:24,638 [upbeat music] 845 00:39:30,298 --> 00:39:33,509 Antonioni's "Blow-Up," now has two things to recommend it. 846 00:39:33,543 --> 00:39:35,925 One, it's his most accessible movie. 847 00:39:35,959 --> 00:39:38,099 - Couldn't you give us just a couple of minutes? 848 00:39:38,134 --> 00:39:39,584 - A couple of minutes? 849 00:39:39,618 --> 00:39:40,757 I haven't even got a couple of minutes 850 00:39:40,792 --> 00:39:42,276 to have my appendix out. 851 00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:43,898 - And two, it's the first film 852 00:39:43,933 --> 00:39:47,108 to show pubic hair in modern cinema. 853 00:39:47,143 --> 00:39:50,457 - [Barry] David Hemmings plays a photographer who 854 00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:53,943 takes a picture, and he winds up seeing two illicit lovers, 855 00:39:53,977 --> 00:39:55,772 one played by Vanessa Redgrave. 856 00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:57,222 - Give me those pictures. 857 00:39:57,256 --> 00:39:58,292 You can't photograph people like that. 858 00:39:58,326 --> 00:39:59,776 - Who is topless in the film. 859 00:39:59,811 --> 00:40:02,296 Then he meets two young, what they used to call groupies, 860 00:40:02,330 --> 00:40:03,953 and he takes them home with him. 861 00:40:05,092 --> 00:40:06,334 There is a flash of Jane Birkin's pubic hair. 862 00:40:06,369 --> 00:40:07,957 Which is the first time that's ever 863 00:40:07,991 --> 00:40:10,925 been shown on an American movie screen. 864 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,790 And it stayed in, because it was quick. 865 00:40:13,825 --> 00:40:17,760 - "I Am Curious, Yellow" was a foreign film, it was Swedish. 866 00:40:17,794 --> 00:40:20,314 And it had very explicit nudity. 867 00:40:20,348 --> 00:40:23,800 And there were movies with explicit nudity at the time. 868 00:40:23,835 --> 00:40:26,769 But this was playing at your neighborhood movie theater. 869 00:40:26,803 --> 00:40:28,840 So it became a really big deal. 870 00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:32,637 In fact I remember seeing huge lines of people 871 00:40:32,671 --> 00:40:34,639 waiting to go into the theater. 872 00:40:34,673 --> 00:40:37,365 But then there was also a group of protestors there 873 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,922 with signs, ban the film, and pornography and stuff. 874 00:40:41,956 --> 00:40:45,028 The movie itself could be difficult to watch. 875 00:40:45,063 --> 00:40:46,478 And it's very much of its time. 876 00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:49,136 It's kind of like an experimental film. 877 00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:51,000 - The code started crumbling in the '60s, 878 00:40:51,034 --> 00:40:52,622 'cause the '60s were the '60s. 879 00:40:52,657 --> 00:40:55,176 I mean there was a lot of upheaval in our society. 880 00:40:55,211 --> 00:40:57,316 We had a president shot, and a lot of things 881 00:40:57,351 --> 00:41:00,112 were going on in real life that didn't match 882 00:41:00,147 --> 00:41:03,633 the strident mores of the code. 883 00:41:03,668 --> 00:41:05,808 And people were rebelling against it. 884 00:41:05,842 --> 00:41:07,637 - And as in physics, every action 885 00:41:07,672 --> 00:41:09,397 has an equal and opposite reaction. 886 00:41:10,847 --> 00:41:13,263 [calm music] 887 00:41:15,403 --> 00:41:16,853 They said we need to have a rating system 888 00:41:16,888 --> 00:41:20,132 in order to determine who can see these films. 889 00:41:20,167 --> 00:41:21,409 - We are not censors at all. 890 00:41:21,444 --> 00:41:23,688 What we do, and we don't make value judgments. 891 00:41:23,722 --> 00:41:25,897 There's not one of our ratings that means a film 892 00:41:25,931 --> 00:41:29,521 is good or bad, it just indicates the level of content. 893 00:41:29,556 --> 00:41:32,041 And then we give descriptors along with 894 00:41:32,075 --> 00:41:34,043 the level to show all those elements 895 00:41:34,077 --> 00:41:36,321 that are present at that level in the film. 896 00:41:36,355 --> 00:41:40,359 - There was that general feeling of change 897 00:41:41,464 --> 00:41:44,709 from the old classic Hollywood which 898 00:41:44,743 --> 00:41:49,058 pretty much died around 1962 or '63. 899 00:41:49,092 --> 00:41:51,992 ♪ Greeting greeting greetings 900 00:41:52,026 --> 00:41:53,821 - "Greetings," came out in 1968, 901 00:41:53,856 --> 00:41:56,065 and it was the first film to be rated X. 902 00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:58,205 It's a counterculture comedy. 903 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,448 Robert De Niro starts to get involved 904 00:42:00,483 --> 00:42:02,865 in being a peeping Tom. 905 00:42:02,899 --> 00:42:03,831 - You've heard of pop art. 906 00:42:03,866 --> 00:42:05,557 - Oh yes, sure. 907 00:42:05,592 --> 00:42:06,558 - Well, this is called peep art. 908 00:42:06,593 --> 00:42:08,664 - And eventually he figured out 909 00:42:08,698 --> 00:42:11,252 how to make movies using this obsession. 910 00:42:11,287 --> 00:42:13,772 The X rating definitely helped, they wanted the X. 911 00:42:13,807 --> 00:42:17,396 The sex stuff is mostly relegated to 912 00:42:17,431 --> 00:42:19,916 Robert De Niro's scenes where he's spying on women. 913 00:42:19,951 --> 00:42:23,575 But there's also a scene that involves Gerrit Graham, 914 00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:25,957 who plays the character that's obsessed 915 00:42:25,991 --> 00:42:28,131 with the Kennedy assassination, 916 00:42:28,166 --> 00:42:31,410 where there is a naked woman on his bed. 917 00:42:31,445 --> 00:42:34,310 And he starts tracing the bullet trajectory 918 00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:36,036 of the gun that killed Kennedy. 919 00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:40,765 - I did my first nude scene in 1968 920 00:42:40,799 --> 00:42:43,940 in my first movie called, "If," with this beautiful girl. 921 00:42:43,975 --> 00:42:47,910 And I think it was the first time in a studio movie 922 00:42:47,944 --> 00:42:51,120 that a man and a woman had been naked together. 923 00:42:52,466 --> 00:42:55,331 So I went up to the director and I said when we're 924 00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:58,023 fighting on the floor, wouldn't it be great if 925 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,269 just a cut and we're naked like animals? 926 00:43:02,303 --> 00:43:06,480 And he looked and he went, you ask her. 927 00:43:06,514 --> 00:43:08,516 So we come to the end of the day, 928 00:43:09,828 --> 00:43:13,901 she comes out in a bathrobe, and just drops it. 929 00:43:13,936 --> 00:43:18,423 And I said [grunting] and they go, 930 00:43:18,457 --> 00:43:21,150 okay get your trousers off. 931 00:43:21,184 --> 00:43:23,842 And I went, it's a bit cold in here. 932 00:43:23,877 --> 00:43:25,741 And they, get your trousers off. 933 00:43:25,775 --> 00:43:28,606 Well, the first assistant director, 934 00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:32,333 when we did the shot, walked off the movie. 935 00:43:32,368 --> 00:43:34,404 He was so outraged. 936 00:43:36,165 --> 00:43:37,649 Subversive stuff. 937 00:43:37,684 --> 00:43:40,341 This title of being naked the most of any 938 00:43:40,376 --> 00:43:43,931 young actor of that period, was thrust upon me. 939 00:43:43,966 --> 00:43:45,795 I did not go seeking it. 940 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:46,831 - Any venereal disease? 941 00:43:46,865 --> 00:43:48,142 - No sir! - Rats? 942 00:43:48,177 --> 00:43:49,005 - No sir! - Lice? 943 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,937 - No sir! 944 00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:50,662 - Go over there for the bath! 945 00:43:50,697 --> 00:43:51,629 - Yes sir! 946 00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:52,837 - It was just that I came along 947 00:43:52,871 --> 00:43:56,185 at the very moment that the floodgates opened, 948 00:43:56,219 --> 00:44:00,983 and they decided to allow nudity in movies. 949 00:44:01,017 --> 00:44:05,539 And about bloody time, it was ridiculous. 950 00:44:05,573 --> 00:44:08,887 I mean it was sort of the line that was never crossed. 951 00:44:08,922 --> 00:44:13,547 When that was breached, holy God it was breached. 952 00:44:13,581 --> 00:44:15,687 We all came rushing through. 953 00:44:15,722 --> 00:44:17,862 - If you haven't seen a Russ Meyer film, 954 00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:20,209 I would say you're in for a treat. 955 00:44:20,243 --> 00:44:22,832 His films were his own genre. 956 00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:27,734 - He's such a funny guy, he's just like so dry. 957 00:44:28,907 --> 00:44:31,876 He's like well, real gruff, like well 958 00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:34,499 she's a lot smaller than most of my girls, 959 00:44:34,533 --> 00:44:38,883 but maybe the women will be able to relate better. 960 00:44:38,917 --> 00:44:42,438 - Vixen is played by Erika Gavin. 961 00:44:42,472 --> 00:44:46,166 - Nudity was definitely essential in 962 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,755 portraying who this character is. 963 00:44:48,789 --> 00:44:52,172 - And she's a nymphomaniac, and all these different people 964 00:44:52,206 --> 00:44:54,726 kind of come in, and they meet her. 965 00:44:54,761 --> 00:44:57,280 And she wants to have sex with every one of them. 966 00:44:57,315 --> 00:44:59,386 It includes her brother. 967 00:44:59,420 --> 00:45:02,009 - Remember how you used to wash my back, Judd? 968 00:45:02,044 --> 00:45:04,011 And how we used to cuddle in the tub together? 969 00:45:04,046 --> 00:45:05,564 - We quit doing that when you turned 12. 970 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:06,911 You said yourself, it wasn't right. 971 00:45:06,945 --> 00:45:08,533 - I don't care what I said then, Judd. 972 00:45:08,567 --> 00:45:09,741 This is now. 973 00:45:09,776 --> 00:45:12,088 - She's just filled with lust. 974 00:45:12,123 --> 00:45:16,541 - Like during the scene with myself and Vincene, 975 00:45:16,575 --> 00:45:19,406 Russ was down on the floor, give it to her, yeah, 976 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,098 pounding the floor like this, like just pounding. 977 00:45:22,133 --> 00:45:25,067 He was laying on the floor pounding. 978 00:45:25,101 --> 00:45:28,104 And then he goes cut, lunch. 979 00:45:28,139 --> 00:45:29,761 I gotta change my shorts. 980 00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:32,246 [folk music] 981 00:45:34,801 --> 00:45:36,768 - The late '60s, early '70s was 982 00:45:36,803 --> 00:45:38,770 when everything really changed. 983 00:45:38,805 --> 00:45:41,773 After Woodstock, when everybody was rained on, 984 00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:44,500 and was pretty much naked anyway. 985 00:45:44,534 --> 00:45:46,778 The floodgates began to open. 986 00:45:46,813 --> 00:45:48,642 - In fact, "The Graduate," and, "Easy Rider," 987 00:45:48,676 --> 00:45:51,403 kind of opened the door, and all the movies 988 00:45:51,438 --> 00:45:55,131 that came before looked so old fashioned in comparison. 989 00:45:55,166 --> 00:46:00,171 - Of course American actresses did not like to do nudity. 990 00:46:01,655 --> 00:46:03,415 They thought that if they did, their careers would 991 00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:05,521 kind of be tainted in some way. 992 00:46:05,555 --> 00:46:07,799 - It wasn't whether or not you're gonna do the nudity. 993 00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:10,181 It was when you were gonna finally do it. 994 00:46:10,215 --> 00:46:12,597 - European actresses don't give a damn. 995 00:46:12,631 --> 00:46:15,151 I mean are you kidding, no way. 996 00:46:15,186 --> 00:46:20,191 Its just everything's off if it's part of the, 997 00:46:22,124 --> 00:46:24,782 the integral part of the script. 998 00:46:24,816 --> 00:46:28,613 - "Women in Love," and there's a nude wrestling scene 999 00:46:28,647 --> 00:46:32,479 between Alan Bates and Oliver Reed. 1000 00:46:32,513 --> 00:46:36,863 And it was weird, and shocking, and surprising. 1001 00:46:38,002 --> 00:46:40,487 That's one of the few male nudity things 1002 00:46:40,521 --> 00:46:42,351 that I remember seeing in movies. 1003 00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:44,698 - When it was released in the United States, 1004 00:46:44,732 --> 00:46:47,563 the American censors cut this scene to where 1005 00:46:47,597 --> 00:46:50,877 you see Olie and Alan start to get into each other, 1006 00:46:50,911 --> 00:46:53,776 and then it cuts to them laying on the floor panting. 1007 00:46:57,884 --> 00:46:58,746 - Was it 1008 00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:01,404 too much for you? 1009 00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:03,648 - So what we get is probably the best known 1010 00:47:03,682 --> 00:47:06,168 sodomy scene in a major motion picture, 1011 00:47:06,202 --> 00:47:09,896 when it wasn't a sodomy scene until they cut it that way. 1012 00:47:09,930 --> 00:47:13,589 ♪ Everybody's talking at me 1013 00:47:13,623 --> 00:47:16,903 - The first X rated movie that became mainstream, 1014 00:47:16,937 --> 00:47:19,043 and that actually won the Academy Award 1015 00:47:19,077 --> 00:47:20,630 was, "Midnight Cowboy." 1016 00:47:22,632 --> 00:47:24,151 It does have nudity in it. 1017 00:47:24,186 --> 00:47:27,189 But I think it's more rated X because of the subject matter. 1018 00:47:27,223 --> 00:47:29,225 - So Sylvia Miles in, "Midnight Cowboy," 1019 00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:33,885 is a society lady, and Jon Voight is a hustler. 1020 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,818 And they hook up and have sex. 1021 00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:46,380 And the next day he asks her for money, and she freaks out. 1022 00:47:46,415 --> 00:47:49,901 - You know Cass that's the funny thing you mentioning money. 1023 00:47:49,936 --> 00:47:52,110 Because I was just about to ask you for some. 1024 00:47:53,732 --> 00:47:55,079 - You were gonna ask me for money? 1025 00:47:55,113 --> 00:47:56,735 - Hell, why you think I come all 1026 00:47:56,770 --> 00:47:58,185 the way up here from Texas for? 1027 00:47:58,220 --> 00:48:00,636 - Who the hell do you think you're dealing with? 1028 00:48:00,670 --> 00:48:03,432 Some old slut on 42nd Street? 1029 00:48:03,466 --> 00:48:07,091 And I think, sometimes I watch occasionally. 1030 00:48:07,125 --> 00:48:10,197 It'll come on and I'll see that scene. 1031 00:48:10,232 --> 00:48:12,061 It's hard watching it you know. 1032 00:48:12,096 --> 00:48:16,548 I'm just so shocked at how real I was. 1033 00:48:16,583 --> 00:48:18,757 In case you didn't happen to notice it, 1034 00:48:19,655 --> 00:48:21,760 you big Texas Longhorn bull, 1035 00:48:21,795 --> 00:48:23,624 I'm one hell of a gorgeous chick. 1036 00:48:23,659 --> 00:48:28,664 There was no arrangement made about nudity. 1037 00:48:29,837 --> 00:48:32,737 No contract to deal with things like that. 1038 00:48:32,771 --> 00:48:35,982 - And so you had brief nudity from Sylvia Miles, 1039 00:48:36,016 --> 00:48:37,776 and from Brenda Vaccaro, who were 1040 00:48:37,811 --> 00:48:41,780 two of his bolder conquests. 1041 00:48:41,815 --> 00:48:45,957 - "Midnight Cowboy," won an Oscar and was rated X. 1042 00:48:45,992 --> 00:48:48,926 And that was the true application of the X rating, 1043 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,273 meant it was a more adult film. 1044 00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,792 - In 1969, a film came out called, "Last Summer," 1045 00:48:53,827 --> 00:48:55,967 that was X rated, and it was known for being 1046 00:48:56,002 --> 00:48:58,487 a pioneering film because of the male nudity in it. 1047 00:48:58,521 --> 00:49:01,352 - "Last Summer," is basically four kids 1048 00:49:01,386 --> 00:49:06,391 left to their own devices in a sort of a rich summer town. 1049 00:49:08,807 --> 00:49:10,499 - Hey come on, let's go for a swim. 1050 00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:13,260 Bare ass? 1051 00:49:13,295 --> 00:49:14,537 - They'll see us. 1052 00:49:14,572 --> 00:49:16,988 - Not here, up the beach, come on. 1053 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:21,613 - She'll probably go tell her mother. 1054 00:49:21,648 --> 00:49:24,685 - At the end of, "Last Summer," the rape scene is basically 1055 00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:32,555 very emotionally fraught, because we have been four friends. 1056 00:49:33,936 --> 00:49:38,009 And sex has been just creeping up all the time. 1057 00:49:38,044 --> 00:49:41,357 But we've both been pretty much in love 1058 00:49:41,392 --> 00:49:44,015 with the Barbara Hershey character. 1059 00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:44,912 - Major truth. 1060 00:49:46,569 --> 00:49:47,674 I love you both. 1061 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,642 - Yeah, and I love you too. 1062 00:49:50,677 --> 00:49:52,506 - And I love you too. 1063 00:49:52,541 --> 00:49:57,028 - And she finally manipulates the pressure off of her 1064 00:49:57,063 --> 00:49:59,893 on to Cathy Burns's character who's the girl. 1065 00:49:59,927 --> 00:50:03,931 So it ends up being a shifting of power. 1066 00:50:03,966 --> 00:50:05,864 It's like filming a fight, 1067 00:50:05,899 --> 00:50:07,590 when there's a rape scene going on. 1068 00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:10,041 It's like how are we gonna choreograph this? 1069 00:50:10,076 --> 00:50:12,388 I especially didn't feel like a pioneer 1070 00:50:12,423 --> 00:50:15,219 when I'm over a close up of a handheld camera 1071 00:50:15,253 --> 00:50:20,258 on two two by fours on a slant, with Frank Perry yelling 1072 00:50:21,432 --> 00:50:23,261 hump harder in my ear through a bull horn. 1073 00:50:24,538 --> 00:50:26,678 Didn't quite think of myself as a pioneer. 1074 00:50:26,713 --> 00:50:28,059 I didn't even really think about 1075 00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:29,854 the nudity when I got the job. 1076 00:50:29,888 --> 00:50:32,236 Being young, I was willing to 1077 00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:35,377 do whatever it took to make a great film. 1078 00:50:35,411 --> 00:50:36,757 People seem to forget we lived 1079 00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:38,587 in a very different time back then. 1080 00:50:38,621 --> 00:50:40,347 People didn't ask questions. 1081 00:50:40,382 --> 00:50:42,073 You're either gonna do something or not. 1082 00:50:42,108 --> 00:50:43,764 There were no rules. 1083 00:50:43,799 --> 00:50:48,562 My uncle Alan, about six months later, 1084 00:50:48,597 --> 00:50:52,049 said to me I took your Aunt Levira to see your film. 1085 00:50:53,567 --> 00:50:56,570 I look up and there's 20 feet of your ass up on the screen. 1086 00:50:56,605 --> 00:51:00,298 We used to change those diapers, you know. 1087 00:51:00,333 --> 00:51:03,957 I was never sexually thought of 1088 00:51:03,991 --> 00:51:06,925 after I did, "Willard," for about 15 years. 1089 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,480 I kissed that rat, and that was the end of me 1090 00:51:09,514 --> 00:51:12,655 kissing any leading ladies for quite a number of years. 1091 00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:15,106 [calm music] 1092 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,421 - When Jack Valenti had first created the ratings 1093 00:51:19,455 --> 00:51:22,803 in the late 1960s, he had not copyrighted 1094 00:51:22,838 --> 00:51:24,805 or trademarked the X rating. 1095 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,292 He said, basically, you want to self rate yourself X, 1096 00:51:28,326 --> 00:51:30,121 without paying us a rating fee, 1097 00:51:30,156 --> 00:51:32,123 you can go ahead and do that. 1098 00:51:32,158 --> 00:51:34,850 This seemed like a reasonable solution at the time. 1099 00:51:34,884 --> 00:51:37,646 But by the early 1970s we had films like, "Deep Throat," 1100 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,098 coming out that proudly self rated themselves X. 1101 00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:44,618 Not just X but triple X, and that bragged about it. 1102 00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:47,034 - Once the the pornographers realized that 1103 00:51:47,069 --> 00:51:50,037 there was a rating that they could co-opt for themselves, 1104 00:51:50,072 --> 00:51:53,834 that wasn't copyrighted, and meant adult, 1105 00:51:55,008 --> 00:51:57,148 they were after all the adult film industry. 1106 00:51:57,183 --> 00:52:00,462 And so I think they felt that it behooved them to 1107 00:52:00,496 --> 00:52:03,982 slap the X on their product as well. 1108 00:52:04,017 --> 00:52:05,812 - By the early to mid '70s there came to be 1109 00:52:05,846 --> 00:52:08,125 a confusion in a lot of people's minds. 1110 00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:09,678 What's an X rated movie? 1111 00:52:09,712 --> 00:52:12,681 Is it hardcore pornography like, "Deep Throat," 1112 00:52:12,715 --> 00:52:15,373 "The Devil and Miss Jones," "Behind the Green Door?" 1113 00:52:15,408 --> 00:52:18,065 Or is it a Hollywood adult film like, 1114 00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:21,690 "Midnight Cowboy," and, "A Clockwork Orange?" 1115 00:52:21,724 --> 00:52:24,624 ♪ Singing in the rain just singing in the rain ♪ 1116 00:52:24,658 --> 00:52:29,146 ♪ Just singing in the rain in the rain ♪ 1117 00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:31,217 - Now there's a few things in, "Clockwork Orange," 1118 00:52:31,251 --> 00:52:35,497 Just cutting this cat suit, and that was 1119 00:52:36,912 --> 00:52:40,191 enough to sell that, you didn't need to do anymore. 1120 00:52:40,226 --> 00:52:44,920 I mean just to say, viddy well little brother, viddy well. 1121 00:52:44,954 --> 00:52:46,715 I mean, that's all you have to say. 1122 00:52:46,749 --> 00:52:50,167 - Viddy well, little brother, viddy well. 1123 00:52:51,513 --> 00:52:53,031 - And this kind of confusion realized itself, 1124 00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:57,001 you might say, in the pages of the local newspaper. 1125 00:52:57,035 --> 00:52:58,485 If you wanted to go to a movie, 1126 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,315 you looked up where it was playing in a newspaper. 1127 00:53:00,349 --> 00:53:02,731 Well, for example, the Los Angeles Times. 1128 00:53:02,765 --> 00:53:05,112 They got protests from their readers protesting 1129 00:53:05,147 --> 00:53:06,735 why are you advertising, "Deep Throat," 1130 00:53:06,769 --> 00:53:08,254 and, "The Devil and Miss Jones?" 1131 00:53:08,288 --> 00:53:10,428 Our little kids are being corrupted by this. 1132 00:53:10,463 --> 00:53:13,086 And so the Los Angeles Times became one of the 1133 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,608 first newspapers to ban X rated ads for movies. 1134 00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,094 - Another early Hollywood film that featured 1135 00:53:21,128 --> 00:53:24,062 male full frontal nudity was a movie called, 1136 00:53:24,097 --> 00:53:27,756 "Drive He Said," directed by Jack Nicholson. 1137 00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:29,067 - I'm going. 1138 00:53:29,102 --> 00:53:32,347 - Hey! [screaming in foreign language] 1139 00:53:32,381 --> 00:53:34,418 - In, "Drive He Said," Michael Margotta 1140 00:53:34,452 --> 00:53:38,042 does a nude streaking scene across a college campus. 1141 00:53:38,076 --> 00:53:39,871 And that was pretty new for 1142 00:53:39,906 --> 00:53:42,564 the early 1970s, and pretty shocking. 1143 00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:45,256 - This was probably the first time you saw, 1144 00:53:45,291 --> 00:53:47,396 except for the Oscars, where we had a streaker 1145 00:53:47,431 --> 00:53:49,985 in that as well during a David Niven speech. 1146 00:53:50,019 --> 00:53:51,607 - Quite likely-- 1147 00:53:51,642 --> 00:53:53,368 [audience laughing] 1148 00:53:53,402 --> 00:53:57,613 - The '70s, with its hedonism, and also sort of 1149 00:53:57,648 --> 00:54:00,444 the crass commercialization of that freedom, 1150 00:54:00,478 --> 00:54:03,447 brought about exploitation films, as well as art films, 1151 00:54:03,481 --> 00:54:06,139 and then just regular Hollywood movies where it was 1152 00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:09,729 liberating for actors and actresses to get nude on screen. 1153 00:54:09,763 --> 00:54:11,800 - In, "Carnal Knowledge," you have huge mega stars 1154 00:54:11,834 --> 00:54:14,389 like Jack Nicholson, and Ann-Margret doing nude scenes, 1155 00:54:14,423 --> 00:54:17,564 wanting to do nude scenes specifically. 1156 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,187 And it kind of gives tacit approval to 1157 00:54:20,222 --> 00:54:23,294 all kind of American stars doing nude scenes in films. 1158 00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:26,124 ♪ Bye bye birdie 1159 00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:31,337 - Ann-Margret was a dancer who had dated Elvis Presley, 1160 00:54:31,371 --> 00:54:33,131 and had been in, "Bye Bye Birdie." 1161 00:54:33,166 --> 00:54:36,411 And she had done no nudity in films, and it was 1162 00:54:36,445 --> 00:54:39,345 rather surprising in the movie, "Carnal Knowledge." 1163 00:54:39,379 --> 00:54:43,003 - Where Jack Nicholson is in the shower in the background. 1164 00:54:43,038 --> 00:54:45,765 And Ann-Margret's lying on the bed. 1165 00:54:45,799 --> 00:54:47,663 - [Barry] And she's reading the newspaper, 1166 00:54:47,698 --> 00:54:49,527 and she turns the page of the newspaper. 1167 00:54:49,562 --> 00:54:51,218 And as she does that she lifts her arm, 1168 00:54:51,253 --> 00:54:52,772 and her breast is exposed. 1169 00:54:52,806 --> 00:54:55,153 - And she gets up and goes to the shower. 1170 00:54:55,188 --> 00:54:57,363 And you see her from behind, but you go 1171 00:54:57,397 --> 00:55:00,469 wow, that's Ann-Margret and she's naked. 1172 00:55:00,504 --> 00:55:02,437 And that was like, whoa. 1173 00:55:02,471 --> 00:55:04,853 - A lot of times after the actresses kind of 1174 00:55:04,887 --> 00:55:07,200 broke their screen nudity virginity, 1175 00:55:07,234 --> 00:55:10,376 when they finally did it and saw that it wasn't that bad, 1176 00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:11,653 or that it didn't hurt their career, 1177 00:55:11,687 --> 00:55:12,964 and they could get through it, 1178 00:55:12,999 --> 00:55:15,035 then they started doing more and more nudity. 1179 00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:17,452 Ann-Margret followed up, "Carnal Knowledge," by doing 1180 00:55:17,486 --> 00:55:18,867 a nude scene, a topless scene 1181 00:55:18,901 --> 00:55:21,352 in the movie, "Magic," with Anthony Hopkins. 1182 00:55:21,387 --> 00:55:23,561 - "The Last Picture Show," from Peter Bogdanovich 1183 00:55:23,596 --> 00:55:26,253 is a remarkable movie, a wonderful film. 1184 00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:27,738 And it also partakes of these 1185 00:55:27,772 --> 00:55:30,361 kind of new freedoms of this period. 1186 00:55:30,396 --> 00:55:31,707 - I know there was 1187 00:55:31,742 --> 00:55:35,746 a lot of talk about the freedom of the screen. 1188 00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:38,369 And my producers on, "The Last Picture Show," 1189 00:55:38,404 --> 00:55:43,270 which we shot in '70, really wanted nudity, 1190 00:55:44,582 --> 00:55:48,966 and the sexual aspect of the story, 1191 00:55:50,139 --> 00:55:52,349 as they did in, "Easy Rider," the year before, 1192 00:55:53,419 --> 00:55:54,592 the same producers. 1193 00:55:56,422 --> 00:56:00,426 It's a story about a small town in Texas in 1951. 1194 00:56:01,565 --> 00:56:03,670 - What y'all doing back here in the dark? 1195 00:56:03,705 --> 00:56:05,776 - The kids are coming of age. 1196 00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:08,399 - You see frontal nudity in it as the people from 1197 00:56:08,434 --> 00:56:11,057 the high school take off their clothes to skinny dip. 1198 00:56:11,091 --> 00:56:13,266 - You wanna join the club? 1199 00:56:14,094 --> 00:56:15,095 - Sure. 1200 00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:16,062 - Well, you gotta get undressed 1201 00:56:16,096 --> 00:56:18,582 up there on the diving board. 1202 00:56:18,616 --> 00:56:20,411 - [Tommy] So everybody gets to watch. 1203 00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:21,619 [cheering and whistling] 1204 00:56:21,654 --> 00:56:24,035 - Cybill Shepherd was 1205 00:56:24,070 --> 00:56:26,417 not sure she wanted to do it. 1206 00:56:26,452 --> 00:56:27,418 - That's the rule. 1207 00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,247 - Yeah, I did it last Easter. 1208 00:56:29,282 --> 00:56:30,110 - [Agnes] Okay? 1209 00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:32,630 - Okay. 1210 00:56:32,665 --> 00:56:33,907 - But Bert Schneider, the producer said, 1211 00:56:33,942 --> 00:56:35,115 if she doesn't want to do the nude scene, 1212 00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:35,944 we don't want her in the picture. 1213 00:56:35,978 --> 00:56:38,187 I said no, I'm going to cast her. 1214 00:56:39,257 --> 00:56:40,742 And we'll see about the nude scene. 1215 00:56:40,776 --> 00:56:42,606 Maybe she'll do it, maybe she won't. 1216 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,643 If she won't, we'll get a double or something like that. 1217 00:56:45,678 --> 00:56:48,922 I wasn't gonna give up her as an actress. 1218 00:56:48,957 --> 00:56:52,098 - It's wonderfully in context of the film. 1219 00:56:52,132 --> 00:56:54,307 It's not at all exploitative. 1220 00:56:54,341 --> 00:56:55,273 It really works with the film. 1221 00:56:55,308 --> 00:56:57,310 - We sort of fell in love, 1222 00:56:58,656 --> 00:57:01,279 and actually that made it tougher for me. 1223 00:57:01,314 --> 00:57:03,834 'Cause I wasn't sure I wanted to do that either. 1224 00:57:03,868 --> 00:57:06,457 The scene in the swimming pool, nobody was there 1225 00:57:06,492 --> 00:57:08,839 except Cybill, and me, and the camera man. 1226 00:57:08,873 --> 00:57:10,979 - Did Peter need to have Cybill Shepherd 1227 00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:13,153 be naked when she jumped in the pool? 1228 00:57:13,188 --> 00:57:16,743 Probably not, but it is a way of telling a story that's 1229 00:57:16,778 --> 00:57:18,987 different than it would have been if she had clothes on. 1230 00:57:19,021 --> 00:57:21,714 So I mean, you can use nudity to make story points. 1231 00:57:22,818 --> 00:57:25,407 [all cheering] 1232 00:57:27,236 --> 00:57:29,791 - I could be completely murdered for saying this, 1233 00:57:29,825 --> 00:57:32,656 but Europe is like the land of 1234 00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:36,211 the 18 year old actress and the 50 year old man. 1235 00:57:36,245 --> 00:57:40,042 And this is like a sort of love story that makes sense. 1236 00:57:40,077 --> 00:57:42,838 This doesn't make sense in America to American audiences. 1237 00:57:42,873 --> 00:57:45,945 This is something only Europeans seem to really do. 1238 00:57:45,979 --> 00:57:47,464 You don't see that as much here. 1239 00:57:47,498 --> 00:57:50,294 - "Last Tango in Paris," is a movie 1240 00:57:50,328 --> 00:57:51,709 that stars Marlon Brando. 1241 00:57:51,744 --> 00:57:55,506 He is looking at a French apartment for rent 1242 00:57:55,541 --> 00:57:58,198 at the same time a young French woman is. 1243 00:57:58,233 --> 00:58:00,511 And they agreed to rent the apartment 1244 00:58:00,546 --> 00:58:03,790 and meet there just for sex. 1245 00:58:03,825 --> 00:58:07,553 There's been a lot of talk about what the scene is 1246 00:58:07,587 --> 00:58:10,901 where he sodomized her and uses butter as a lubricant. 1247 00:58:10,935 --> 00:58:12,523 Schneider claimed it wasn't in the script, 1248 00:58:12,558 --> 00:58:14,525 claims it was sprung on her. 1249 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,805 She said in an interview I felt as if 1250 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,808 I was being raped, something like that. 1251 00:58:21,843 --> 00:58:24,535 - The press around this movie. 1252 00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:26,572 Did he really have sex with her? 1253 00:58:26,606 --> 00:58:27,883 Did he mistreat her? 1254 00:58:27,918 --> 00:58:30,334 Did he anally penetrate her? 1255 00:58:30,368 --> 00:58:32,854 - Everything outside this place is bullshit. 1256 00:58:32,888 --> 00:58:35,063 - It certainly put butter on the map. 1257 00:58:35,097 --> 00:58:35,926 - Stop! 1258 00:58:37,203 --> 00:58:39,550 - If you go back to her interview, it really is 1259 00:58:39,585 --> 00:58:41,069 that's a leap from what she's saying. 1260 00:58:41,103 --> 00:58:45,245 I mean she stayed in touch with Brando, they were friends. 1261 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,557 - Listen, why don't you stop talking 1262 00:58:46,592 --> 00:58:48,179 about things that don't matter here. 1263 00:58:48,214 --> 00:58:49,560 - And I would describe her in 1264 00:58:49,595 --> 00:58:51,562 that movie as nude instead of naked. 1265 00:58:51,597 --> 00:58:54,565 There is something about her that's coquettish. 1266 00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,567 And she's playing that. 1267 00:58:56,602 --> 00:58:57,913 - All the mysteries that you're 1268 00:58:57,948 --> 00:59:00,295 ever gonna know in life are right here. 1269 00:59:02,711 --> 00:59:04,471 - The women in prison genre began, 1270 00:59:04,506 --> 00:59:07,095 actually in the 1970s with Roger Corman. 1271 00:59:07,129 --> 00:59:11,755 ♪ I'm a longtime woman 1272 00:59:11,789 --> 00:59:14,412 ♪ And I'm serving my time 1273 00:59:14,447 --> 00:59:16,760 - These were films that starred 1274 00:59:16,794 --> 00:59:19,901 a wonderful actress named Pam Grier. 1275 00:59:19,935 --> 00:59:22,144 - Where do you want to be buried, nigger? 1276 00:59:27,771 --> 00:59:30,118 - And it's Miss Nigger to you. 1277 00:59:30,152 --> 00:59:32,741 - Pam Grier should rule the movies. 1278 00:59:32,776 --> 00:59:35,054 I mean if there was any justice in the world. 1279 00:59:35,088 --> 00:59:39,127 - The first one, I think, was, "The Big Dollhouse," 1280 00:59:39,161 --> 00:59:41,785 "Women in Cages," "Twilight People." 1281 00:59:41,819 --> 00:59:44,511 And then, "Black Mama White Mama," 1282 00:59:44,546 --> 00:59:46,513 and then, "Coffy," "Foxy Brown," and, "Sugar Hill." 1283 00:59:46,548 --> 00:59:48,619 And then I had a three picture deal woo-hoo!. 1284 00:59:48,654 --> 00:59:51,967 - And Pam Grier became the number one 1285 00:59:52,002 --> 00:59:55,212 action, kick ass lady of the '70s. 1286 00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:00,286 - And it was basically just a standard 1287 01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,668 prison plot, but it was women in prison. 1288 01:00:02,702 --> 01:00:04,635 - Something has set in motion, 1289 01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:06,810 something where these women are deprived of their freedom, 1290 01:00:06,844 --> 01:00:09,329 and their put all together in these terrible situations. 1291 01:00:09,364 --> 01:00:13,023 - The cobra's venom attacks the nervous system. 1292 01:00:14,024 --> 01:00:17,683 The victim dies in convulsions. 1293 01:00:17,717 --> 01:00:19,512 - And they were frequently naked. 1294 01:00:19,546 --> 01:00:21,514 - Does this do a little thing for you? 1295 01:00:21,548 --> 01:00:22,619 - [Mike] And always rebelling 1296 01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:25,000 at the end to get their freedom. 1297 01:00:25,035 --> 01:00:27,175 - These movies became wildly popular, 1298 01:00:27,209 --> 01:00:29,626 especially in the Deep South, and the Midwest. 1299 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:34,009 - And European was more accepting in nudity. 1300 01:00:34,044 --> 01:00:36,667 the rubenesque, Sophia Loren, you could 1301 01:00:36,702 --> 01:00:39,843 show a little more bust on her. 1302 01:00:39,877 --> 01:00:42,569 In America they go [gasping] oh my God. 1303 01:00:42,604 --> 01:00:45,676 When I was in, "The Arena," they gave us an option 1304 01:00:45,711 --> 01:00:48,058 to turn face the camera, just act like 1305 01:00:48,092 --> 01:00:50,301 you're really showering, you're bathing. 1306 01:00:50,336 --> 01:00:53,684 And I said well, I'm not gonna cover up, 1307 01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:55,859 like the other characters are. 1308 01:00:55,893 --> 01:00:58,206 They're gonna pull your clothes off. 1309 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,553 And I had to be mentally prepared to have that done, 1310 01:01:00,587 --> 01:01:03,211 because it had been done to me as a child. 1311 01:01:03,245 --> 01:01:05,800 - The hint of promised lesbianism, 1312 01:01:05,834 --> 01:01:08,837 if there were no actual lesbian scenes. 1313 01:01:08,872 --> 01:01:09,942 - Okay, that's enough. 1314 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,256 Hurry up so you can get out of here and fix my hair. 1315 01:01:14,291 --> 01:01:17,328 Women in prison oppressed, they're gonna 1316 01:01:17,363 --> 01:01:22,368 explode with sexual appetites and attraction, 1317 01:01:23,472 --> 01:01:24,991 and they're just gonna be borderline. 1318 01:01:25,026 --> 01:01:29,893 Well, yeah that's for when you oppress anybody for a while. 1319 01:01:29,927 --> 01:01:31,895 And then plus they didn't have wardrobe. 1320 01:01:31,929 --> 01:01:33,344 We just had T-shirts. 1321 01:01:33,379 --> 01:01:35,899 - And since nothing succeeds like success, 1322 01:01:35,933 --> 01:01:38,487 they would churn out as many of them as they could. 1323 01:01:40,455 --> 01:01:41,801 - [Announcer] "Caged Heat." 1324 01:01:42,940 --> 01:01:45,046 - Your guess is as good as mine as to how 1325 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,910 I got that part in, "Caged Heat." 1326 01:01:46,944 --> 01:01:48,739 We have a violent sorority here. 1327 01:01:50,258 --> 01:01:51,708 [shirt tearing] 1328 01:01:51,742 --> 01:01:54,434 And very strong ways of dealing with it. 1329 01:01:56,333 --> 01:01:57,541 - You can't do this to me. 1330 01:01:57,575 --> 01:01:59,474 [electricity crackling] [groaning in pain] 1331 01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:01,510 - I mean yeah, it was rough. 1332 01:02:02,753 --> 01:02:05,238 For some reason it's like people that go to 1333 01:02:05,273 --> 01:02:09,277 watch women wrestlers, they love seeing all those 1334 01:02:09,311 --> 01:02:13,557 shower fights, which is where the nudity would come in. 1335 01:02:13,591 --> 01:02:16,767 The shower scene was really treacherous, 1336 01:02:16,802 --> 01:02:19,874 because of the fact that there was no hot water. 1337 01:02:19,908 --> 01:02:22,808 It was freezing cold, and here we were naked. 1338 01:02:26,156 --> 01:02:27,813 - "Alice in Wonderland," is the innocent blonde girl 1339 01:02:27,847 --> 01:02:32,300 who goes into a trippy psychedelic world of talking animals. 1340 01:02:32,334 --> 01:02:34,647 - Hey wait, I'd like to talk to you. 1341 01:02:34,681 --> 01:02:36,131 - I can't wait when I'm late. 1342 01:02:36,166 --> 01:02:38,582 I'm supposed to be at the Queen's party at 3:30. 1343 01:02:38,616 --> 01:02:42,172 If I'm late it could mean my [mimics cutting] 1344 01:02:42,206 --> 01:02:43,621 The Queen's a bitch, tootaloo. 1345 01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:45,934 - And blood thirsty Queens. 1346 01:02:45,969 --> 01:02:47,487 - You misunderstand me, doll. 1347 01:02:48,661 --> 01:02:51,008 I don't want to cut off your head. 1348 01:02:51,043 --> 01:02:52,423 I want you to give me some head. 1349 01:02:52,458 --> 01:02:55,219 I think that that fantasy world 1350 01:02:56,565 --> 01:03:00,915 was her journey into sexual discovery. 1351 01:03:00,949 --> 01:03:02,468 She was a lot like me. 1352 01:03:02,502 --> 01:03:07,197 She was young, naive, and I could relate to that. 1353 01:03:07,991 --> 01:03:09,026 Mr. Rabbit, wait for me. 1354 01:03:10,165 --> 01:03:10,994 - [Mike] And she's incredibly beautiful, 1355 01:03:11,028 --> 01:03:12,547 incredibly radiant. 1356 01:03:12,581 --> 01:03:15,170 - I remember when I got the part, I was so excited. 1357 01:03:15,205 --> 01:03:17,690 Like, oh my gosh, I got my first film. 1358 01:03:17,724 --> 01:03:19,174 Right, yay. 1359 01:03:19,209 --> 01:03:23,109 But I didn't have an agent, I didn't have an attorney. 1360 01:03:23,144 --> 01:03:26,043 I signed a contract, I don't even know what I was signing. 1361 01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:28,528 I shouldn't be doing this. 1362 01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:30,876 If I had issues with the nudity when 1363 01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:33,326 I read the script, I don't remember. 1364 01:03:33,361 --> 01:03:35,708 It was a role, I was playing a character. 1365 01:03:35,742 --> 01:03:37,848 And the character needed to be naked. 1366 01:03:37,883 --> 01:03:39,885 - If it feels good, it is good. 1367 01:03:39,919 --> 01:03:41,507 Learn to trust yourself. 1368 01:03:41,541 --> 01:03:42,715 - I grew up in La Mirada, 1369 01:03:42,749 --> 01:03:44,510 and there was the La Mirada Drive-in. 1370 01:03:44,544 --> 01:03:48,203 There was a spot where you could see the drive-in movie. 1371 01:03:48,238 --> 01:03:49,032 - It looks nice. 1372 01:03:49,066 --> 01:03:50,481 - It's very nice. 1373 01:03:50,516 --> 01:03:52,311 - Indubitably nice. 1374 01:03:52,345 --> 01:03:53,691 - And there were other kids there too. 1375 01:03:53,726 --> 01:03:54,900 And one of the kids was like, 1376 01:03:54,934 --> 01:03:56,867 I'm gonna bring binoculars next time. 1377 01:03:56,902 --> 01:03:58,075 I was like, oh genius. 1378 01:03:58,110 --> 01:03:59,559 And I remember my parents were like, 1379 01:03:59,594 --> 01:04:00,491 oh what do you want for Christmas? 1380 01:04:00,526 --> 01:04:02,148 I want a pair of binoculars. 1381 01:04:02,183 --> 01:04:04,392 - When I was a kid, a teenager, we'd sneak into 1382 01:04:04,426 --> 01:04:06,325 the drive-in and you'd see an R rated movie. 1383 01:04:06,359 --> 01:04:08,741 You expected, you demanded nudity. 1384 01:04:08,775 --> 01:04:10,881 There better be some gratuitous nudity here. 1385 01:04:10,916 --> 01:04:12,745 Just all of a sudden, out of nowhere, 1386 01:04:12,779 --> 01:04:14,402 the actress would drop her top. 1387 01:04:14,436 --> 01:04:16,231 And is it something that would play 1388 01:04:16,266 --> 01:04:18,544 as well now, as it did back then? 1389 01:04:18,578 --> 01:04:20,235 Probably not. 1390 01:04:20,270 --> 01:04:22,859 - And then, "Alice in Wonderland," got an R rated release. 1391 01:04:22,893 --> 01:04:24,722 - Which is where, then it became popular, 1392 01:04:24,757 --> 01:04:27,518 because it obviously had a much larger audience. 1393 01:04:27,553 --> 01:04:31,557 - That reflects the 1970s, that it was so libertine 1394 01:04:31,591 --> 01:04:34,249 that they could show a soft core porn movie 1395 01:04:34,284 --> 01:04:37,770 projected in public in a drive-in theater. 1396 01:04:37,804 --> 01:04:40,911 I mean if that happened now, without a doubt, 1397 01:04:40,946 --> 01:04:44,950 there would be, I mean you know Twitter would explode. 1398 01:04:46,813 --> 01:04:47,953 - Take off your clothes. 1399 01:04:47,987 --> 01:04:50,058 - I don't like women giving me orders. 1400 01:04:51,163 --> 01:04:53,406 - [Announcer] "I Spit on Your Grave." 1401 01:04:53,441 --> 01:04:56,651 - Camille Keaton was a model who had been in Italy. 1402 01:04:56,685 --> 01:04:59,792 And she made one of the classics of horror, 1403 01:04:59,826 --> 01:05:02,036 that was called, "I Spit on Your Grave." 1404 01:05:02,070 --> 01:05:04,831 - Camille Keaton is what they call a scream queen. 1405 01:05:04,866 --> 01:05:08,456 And a scream queen is an actress of a certain age, 1406 01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:11,459 that began her career being chased around 1407 01:05:11,493 --> 01:05:14,289 by guys in hockey masks, or what have you. 1408 01:05:14,324 --> 01:05:15,808 That's a scream queen. 1409 01:05:15,842 --> 01:05:18,086 [grunting] 1410 01:05:20,986 --> 01:05:24,161 - I can't believe that I'm sitting here 40 years later, 1411 01:05:24,196 --> 01:05:27,406 and we're having an interview about this film. 1412 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,237 Now that means something to me, I have chills. 1413 01:05:31,272 --> 01:05:33,964 The plot of the film is about a woman 1414 01:05:33,999 --> 01:05:36,139 that goes off to write her book, 1415 01:05:36,173 --> 01:05:38,313 and she goes to the country. 1416 01:05:38,348 --> 01:05:41,144 Shortly thereafter, in the secluded area she's in, 1417 01:05:41,178 --> 01:05:43,836 she gets raped by four men. 1418 01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:47,288 Stop it, stop it. [grunting] 1419 01:05:48,841 --> 01:05:51,671 - And she's stripped, and totally exposed, and then 1420 01:05:51,706 --> 01:05:54,467 sets about for the rest of the film to seek revenge. 1421 01:05:54,502 --> 01:05:57,160 And so there are a number of scenes of her 1422 01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:58,851 taking off her clothes seducing men, 1423 01:05:58,885 --> 01:06:03,131 and then exacting her revenge on the men who had raped her. 1424 01:06:03,166 --> 01:06:05,789 [grunting] 1425 01:06:05,823 --> 01:06:07,308 - We were the first to make a film 1426 01:06:07,342 --> 01:06:11,312 where a woman does go back and get revenge on her attackers. 1427 01:06:11,346 --> 01:06:16,351 - They're all about remaking European movies, 1428 01:06:17,766 --> 01:06:20,355 usually Ingmar Bergman, like, "The Virgin Spring." 1429 01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:22,185 When you realize where these movies, 1430 01:06:22,219 --> 01:06:24,981 what the inspirations came from you go, whoa. 1431 01:06:25,015 --> 01:06:29,882 I mean this is kind of Toney for a trashy exploitation movie. 1432 01:06:29,916 --> 01:06:33,161 - Well, when I read the script I was very excited about it. 1433 01:06:33,196 --> 01:06:34,818 Here is a script that can give me 1434 01:06:34,852 --> 01:06:39,064 the opportunity to cry, be vulnerable. 1435 01:06:39,098 --> 01:06:41,204 I can be everything, I can kill. 1436 01:06:41,238 --> 01:06:44,069 The nudity, that worried me a little bit. 1437 01:06:44,103 --> 01:06:46,002 I loved everything else about the film. 1438 01:06:46,036 --> 01:06:48,211 She's a strong character. 1439 01:06:49,246 --> 01:06:50,523 [screaming in pain] 1440 01:06:50,558 --> 01:06:53,837 The director and I were talking about 1441 01:06:53,871 --> 01:06:56,426 how these nude scenes would be made. 1442 01:06:56,460 --> 01:07:01,465 And there was a lot of trust and respect between all of us. 1443 01:07:02,570 --> 01:07:04,848 It came out in Chicago, and immediately 1444 01:07:04,882 --> 01:07:07,609 was banned in over 200 theaters. 1445 01:07:07,644 --> 01:07:11,096 And I think it had to do with not just me being nude, 1446 01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:14,030 what happens to me in the film, the rape, and the revenge. 1447 01:07:14,064 --> 01:07:16,618 and it was so real like. 1448 01:07:18,068 --> 01:07:22,831 But what she did in the film is certainly to show 1449 01:07:23,729 --> 01:07:25,593 women that they can be strong, 1450 01:07:25,627 --> 01:07:28,803 and that they can face their attackers. 1451 01:07:28,837 --> 01:07:31,702 And I think they do that today, more. 1452 01:07:31,737 --> 01:07:34,602 - Well they talk about, in the '80s slasher films, 1453 01:07:34,636 --> 01:07:38,192 the final girl, who was usually a virginal figure. 1454 01:07:38,226 --> 01:07:39,779 I believe that's all about, "Halloween." 1455 01:07:39,814 --> 01:07:42,782 - "Halloween," might have started this craze where 1456 01:07:42,817 --> 01:07:46,234 the good girl keeps her clothes on, and she lives. 1457 01:07:46,269 --> 01:07:49,065 But the bad girl gets undressed, or has sex. 1458 01:07:49,099 --> 01:07:50,238 - Oh, fantastic. 1459 01:07:51,688 --> 01:07:53,241 - [Irv] And she gets slaughtered. 1460 01:07:53,276 --> 01:07:55,105 - A lot of teen guys, underage guys, 1461 01:07:55,140 --> 01:07:57,107 were allowed to see slasher films. 1462 01:07:57,142 --> 01:07:59,420 They were not allowed to see teen sex comedies. 1463 01:07:59,454 --> 01:08:01,836 And the irony was, why is it okay to see people 1464 01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:03,976 being killed and slaughtered, but not okay 1465 01:08:04,010 --> 01:08:06,254 to see a naked body having sex? 1466 01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:08,118 - What I find so funny about this idea, 1467 01:08:08,153 --> 01:08:11,087 of the good virgin who keeps her clothes on, 1468 01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:14,124 is Jamie Lee Curtis herself has made so much fun of it. 1469 01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,402 And her big quote is that she didn't 1470 01:08:16,437 --> 01:08:18,646 show her tits until she went legit. 1471 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,855 It wasn't until she moved out of horror films 1472 01:08:20,889 --> 01:08:23,133 into serious movies that people started 1473 01:08:23,168 --> 01:08:24,859 to ask her to take her shirt off. 1474 01:08:24,893 --> 01:08:27,689 - By the way, food and rent are not 1475 01:08:27,724 --> 01:08:30,002 the only things around here that cost money. 1476 01:08:30,036 --> 01:08:32,142 You sleep on the couch. 1477 01:08:32,177 --> 01:08:34,282 - Jamie Lee Curtis was not the only star 1478 01:08:34,317 --> 01:08:36,595 to kind of perform in these surprising nude scenes. 1479 01:08:36,629 --> 01:08:38,286 Take somebody like Malcolm McDowell, 1480 01:08:38,321 --> 01:08:41,289 who went off of movies like, "If," and, "Oh Lucky Man!", 1481 01:08:41,324 --> 01:08:43,153 and, "A Clockwork Orange," to take the 1482 01:08:43,188 --> 01:08:46,674 really controversial lead role in, "Caligula." 1483 01:08:46,708 --> 01:08:49,021 - Malcolm McDowell will always 1484 01:08:49,055 --> 01:08:52,024 be remembered for, "A Clockwork Orange." 1485 01:08:52,058 --> 01:08:56,373 But he will also live in infamy for playing 1486 01:08:56,408 --> 01:09:01,171 the title role in Tinto Brass', "Caligula." 1487 01:09:01,206 --> 01:09:02,379 [squeals] 1488 01:09:02,414 --> 01:09:04,347 - Do I know what the plot is of, "Caligula?" 1489 01:09:04,381 --> 01:09:07,039 I haven't got a fucking idea. 1490 01:09:07,073 --> 01:09:11,319 And it's a fascinating part of Roman history. 1491 01:09:11,354 --> 01:09:14,564 - All anyone remembers from it, is how mad Malcolm was. 1492 01:09:14,598 --> 01:09:16,807 - And I didn't want to play him as a madman, 1493 01:09:16,842 --> 01:09:20,570 because that's boring and there's no. 1494 01:09:20,604 --> 01:09:22,813 If he's mad, he's mad, that's it. 1495 01:09:22,848 --> 01:09:27,853 There's no moral issue with it. 1496 01:09:29,026 --> 01:09:30,200 - [David] Sleeping with his horse, 1497 01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:33,928 having sex with his sister, burying people 1498 01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:36,102 up to the neck, and then cutting their heads off. 1499 01:09:36,137 --> 01:09:38,208 All these scenes of torture. 1500 01:09:38,243 --> 01:09:41,073 - We kind of came up with this thing that he was 1501 01:09:42,592 --> 01:09:46,043 an anarchist, that he was destroying 1502 01:09:46,078 --> 01:09:48,805 the Roman Empire from the top. 1503 01:09:49,875 --> 01:09:51,048 Sound familiar? 1504 01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:55,121 - Caesar, emperor of Rome, lord of the world. 1505 01:09:56,985 --> 01:09:58,573 - Lord of the world? 1506 01:09:58,608 --> 01:10:00,575 I didn't want to do any nudity in Caligula, 1507 01:10:00,610 --> 01:10:02,853 because everybody else was nude 1508 01:10:02,888 --> 01:10:06,063 in that movie except me, pretty much. 1509 01:10:06,098 --> 01:10:09,101 And they go would you, I went nope, nope. 1510 01:10:09,135 --> 01:10:11,897 Everybody else can, and I'm not going to. 1511 01:10:11,931 --> 01:10:14,934 So that's the way that was. 1512 01:10:14,969 --> 01:10:17,040 I know, I said it's pretty stupid, 1513 01:10:17,074 --> 01:10:19,284 if I'm in a rainstorm, not to be naked. 1514 01:10:19,318 --> 01:10:22,632 So I figured that was okay. 1515 01:10:22,666 --> 01:10:27,395 But no making love to this, I didn't take my stuff off. 1516 01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:29,811 - More conviction. 1517 01:10:29,846 --> 01:10:32,435 - "Caligula," which was I guess, 1518 01:10:32,469 --> 01:10:34,644 one of the great porn movies of all time. 1519 01:10:36,128 --> 01:10:37,957 We didn't know at the time, but that's what it became. 1520 01:10:37,992 --> 01:10:42,997 - It is a pure X rated movie, back when X meant something. 1521 01:10:43,860 --> 01:10:46,621 - I hated it because somewhere, 1522 01:10:46,656 --> 01:10:48,968 when you watch that movie, you realize 1523 01:10:49,003 --> 01:10:52,282 there is really a wonderful movie here that's been 1524 01:10:54,422 --> 01:10:57,701 sort of hijacked by Bob Guccione, 1525 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,602 who was the publisher of Penthouse. 1526 01:11:01,636 --> 01:11:04,398 But he had absolutely no taste. 1527 01:11:04,432 --> 01:11:05,951 And all you had to do was look at 1528 01:11:05,985 --> 01:11:07,711 his magazine to figure that out. 1529 01:11:08,954 --> 01:11:10,162 - Peter O'Toole, and John Gielgud, 1530 01:11:10,196 --> 01:11:11,957 and Helen Mirren are all in this movie. 1531 01:11:11,991 --> 01:11:14,511 - I know, he hates me. 1532 01:11:15,857 --> 01:11:17,100 - Because you are wise. 1533 01:11:17,134 --> 01:11:21,173 So, when I am gone, watch out for Macro. 1534 01:11:22,347 --> 01:11:24,935 - He figured if I've paid for these sets, 1535 01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:26,937 my business is pornography. 1536 01:11:26,972 --> 01:11:29,664 Hey, let's shoot a porno movie. 1537 01:11:29,699 --> 01:11:33,150 And the shot would be of me close up. 1538 01:11:33,185 --> 01:11:37,016 When I shot that shot, I'm looking at a pet falcon. 1539 01:11:37,051 --> 01:11:40,675 So cut, two lesbians in the 69 position, 1540 01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:42,677 licking, and God knows what else, 1541 01:11:42,712 --> 01:11:46,647 at it, humping, writhing around. 1542 01:11:46,681 --> 01:11:49,684 Come back to me, quizzical smile. 1543 01:11:51,065 --> 01:11:55,828 And I sat there with Mary, my then wife. 1544 01:11:55,863 --> 01:12:00,833 And we were like holy fuck, what is this? 1545 01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:06,701 - There was a landmark movie in 1979 called, "10," 1546 01:12:06,736 --> 01:12:08,358 which was directed by Blake Edwards, 1547 01:12:08,393 --> 01:12:12,051 the husband of Mary Poppins, Julie Andrews. 1548 01:12:12,086 --> 01:12:15,917 And the idea of the movie is looking for the perfect 10. 1549 01:12:15,952 --> 01:12:19,369 Bo Derek became the go to actress in 1550 01:12:19,404 --> 01:12:22,027 the nude movies of the early '80s. 1551 01:12:22,061 --> 01:12:24,201 And if you went to a Bo Derek movie, 1552 01:12:24,236 --> 01:12:27,377 you would expect that several times she would disrobe. 1553 01:12:29,103 --> 01:12:30,518 - George. 1554 01:12:30,553 --> 01:12:32,106 - I think in the history of cinema, 1555 01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:35,592 it's always been considered much more artistic 1556 01:12:35,627 --> 01:12:39,078 and acceptable if the actress does nudity, 1557 01:12:39,113 --> 01:12:42,081 as opposed to if the actor does nudity. 1558 01:12:42,116 --> 01:12:46,362 - I think this is this hypocritical side of the business. 1559 01:12:47,915 --> 01:12:50,020 And indeed, men in general, isn't it? 1560 01:12:50,055 --> 01:12:53,023 Of course we want to look at this beautiful, 1561 01:12:53,058 --> 01:12:56,406 voluptuous body of a woman. 1562 01:12:56,441 --> 01:13:01,411 But a man with a penis hanging out, who wants to see that? 1563 01:13:02,619 --> 01:13:05,208 It doesn't have the same sort of beauty. 1564 01:13:05,242 --> 01:13:07,175 Or not, at least, to a heterosexual man. 1565 01:13:08,418 --> 01:13:11,214 [calm music] 1566 01:13:11,248 --> 01:13:14,286 - Nudity in American films is slowly becoming more 1567 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,599 like your European films used to be. 1568 01:13:16,633 --> 01:13:19,222 - And then we go through this kind of Renaissance 1569 01:13:19,256 --> 01:13:23,226 of directors like Paul Mazursky, and Paul Schrader 1570 01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:28,265 with, "American Gigolo," with a new kind of freedom. 1571 01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:31,476 - What's amazing about, "American Gigolo," 1572 01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:34,340 which was a very popular movie in 1980, is that 1573 01:13:34,375 --> 01:13:39,104 the star of the movie, Richard Gere, showed his penis. 1574 01:13:40,657 --> 01:13:42,970 - So it still remains, I think to this day it's 1575 01:13:43,004 --> 01:13:45,559 a little bit of a, I don't want to say scandal. 1576 01:13:45,593 --> 01:13:47,008 But it's a little bit shocking and surprising 1577 01:13:47,043 --> 01:13:50,805 when a major male star consents to do nudity. 1578 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,152 - Blake Edwards made a movie called, 1579 01:13:53,187 --> 01:13:55,638 "S.O.B." about the movie industry, 1580 01:13:55,672 --> 01:13:59,262 and put his wife, Julie Andrews, as the star. 1581 01:13:59,296 --> 01:14:02,472 He played on the fact that Julie was 1582 01:14:02,507 --> 01:14:06,994 a squeaky clean, Disney heroine who never swore, 1583 01:14:07,028 --> 01:14:09,928 and was just the sound of music. 1584 01:14:09,962 --> 01:14:14,346 ♪ The hills are alive with the sound of music ♪ 1585 01:14:14,380 --> 01:14:17,314 - The movie is a huge flop, and there's no nudity in it. 1586 01:14:17,349 --> 01:14:19,489 And he decides I'm gonna put some nudity in it. 1587 01:14:19,524 --> 01:14:21,629 And the only kind of nudity he could come up with 1588 01:14:21,664 --> 01:14:26,392 that would be daring, or would be box office, 1589 01:14:26,427 --> 01:14:28,256 is to have his wife show her breasts. 1590 01:14:29,568 --> 01:14:32,364 [dramatic music] 1591 01:14:33,883 --> 01:14:36,023 [audience applauding] 1592 01:14:36,057 --> 01:14:37,127 - [Mat] It wasn't a long nude scene, 1593 01:14:37,162 --> 01:14:39,405 but it was Mary Poppins naked. 1594 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,994 And that is an exciting thing to see. 1595 01:14:42,029 --> 01:14:44,031 - That was all done for comedy. 1596 01:14:44,065 --> 01:14:47,034 Yeah, I just think it's a great send-up of Hollywood. 1597 01:14:47,068 --> 01:14:50,382 But Hollywood doesn't always like send-ups. 1598 01:14:50,416 --> 01:14:53,696 - "The Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood," right. 1599 01:14:53,730 --> 01:14:55,629 Well it's Xaviera Hollander, 1600 01:14:55,663 --> 01:14:58,701 who I never met, unfortunately. 1601 01:14:58,735 --> 01:15:00,910 But I was the third hooker. 1602 01:15:00,944 --> 01:15:03,222 The first one was Lynn Redgrave. 1603 01:15:03,257 --> 01:15:05,639 Then there was Joey Heatherton, and then there was me. 1604 01:15:05,673 --> 01:15:07,641 - [Announcer] There back again, 1605 01:15:07,675 --> 01:15:09,712 Xavier Hollander and her girls. 1606 01:15:09,746 --> 01:15:13,888 Money comes easy to the girls of Xaviera Hollander. 1607 01:15:13,923 --> 01:15:15,511 - Bouncy, bouncy. 1608 01:15:15,545 --> 01:15:17,651 - So Martine Beswick is an actress 1609 01:15:17,685 --> 01:15:21,344 who was in tons of films throughout the '60s and '70s. 1610 01:15:21,378 --> 01:15:24,381 And in fact she was in a lot of Bond movies. 1611 01:15:24,416 --> 01:15:27,557 She was in, "From Russia with Love," and, "Thunderball." 1612 01:15:27,592 --> 01:15:30,560 - Tell London I've made contact with the girl. 1613 01:15:30,595 --> 01:15:32,458 - Well, it's not what I'd call contact. 1614 01:15:32,493 --> 01:15:35,082 - Let's face it, it's about a hooker. 1615 01:15:35,116 --> 01:15:37,394 I mean, what am I gonna do? 1616 01:15:37,429 --> 01:15:39,673 I'm gonna pretend that she's gonna 1617 01:15:39,707 --> 01:15:43,297 have it off with someone dressed? 1618 01:15:43,331 --> 01:15:45,471 - [New York Cop] Boys downtown were right, Xaviera. 1619 01:15:45,506 --> 01:15:47,266 You are the best. 1620 01:15:47,301 --> 01:15:49,579 - Do they really say that? 1621 01:15:49,614 --> 01:15:50,960 - Oh yeah, and more. 1622 01:15:52,168 --> 01:15:54,688 But of course, they're very respectful. 1623 01:15:54,722 --> 01:15:55,896 - Of course. 1624 01:15:57,311 --> 01:16:01,142 It's always a pleasure to serve New York's finest. 1625 01:16:01,177 --> 01:16:03,420 Actually, it was really a cute script. 1626 01:16:03,455 --> 01:16:06,078 And it was about a film within a film. 1627 01:16:06,113 --> 01:16:08,356 And it was about Hollywood 1628 01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:13,810 trying to undermine this woman. 1629 01:16:13,845 --> 01:16:15,605 - And I gotta tell you, one of the most 1630 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,815 campy, great nude scenes of all time 1631 01:16:18,850 --> 01:16:21,887 happens in that movie where Martine Beswick 1632 01:16:21,922 --> 01:16:24,718 is completely naked at the side of the pool, 1633 01:16:24,752 --> 01:16:29,343 rubbing oil on Batman, Adam West, 1634 01:16:29,377 --> 01:16:31,690 while he smokes a cigarette. 1635 01:16:33,174 --> 01:16:36,108 And he's completely naked, by the way, as is she. 1636 01:16:37,006 --> 01:16:39,733 Only in the late '70s, early '80s 1637 01:16:39,767 --> 01:16:43,771 would you do a nude scene that was this weird and crazy. 1638 01:16:43,806 --> 01:16:45,324 But it's classic. 1639 01:16:46,532 --> 01:16:50,019 [dramatic music] 1640 01:16:50,053 --> 01:16:51,503 - "The Howling," from 1981 is a great, 1641 01:16:51,537 --> 01:16:53,816 one of the great werewolf movies ever made. 1642 01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:57,820 - And one of the conceits of the movie is that during sex 1643 01:16:57,854 --> 01:17:01,340 is a particularly propitious time to turn into a wolf. 1644 01:17:01,375 --> 01:17:03,998 - They're coming from each side of the screen, 1645 01:17:04,033 --> 01:17:06,000 and the fire is getting bigger and bigger, 1646 01:17:06,035 --> 01:17:08,002 and they're both naked. 1647 01:17:08,037 --> 01:17:10,039 - The sex scenes are not all that much fun to do. 1648 01:17:10,073 --> 01:17:12,835 There are certain visual aspects that 1649 01:17:12,869 --> 01:17:15,216 need to happen in a sex scene, and things that you need 1650 01:17:15,251 --> 01:17:18,150 to be able to see, and not see, and not be covered. 1651 01:17:18,185 --> 01:17:19,324 And then when they're on top 1652 01:17:19,358 --> 01:17:22,016 of each other, they're animals now. 1653 01:17:22,051 --> 01:17:23,777 Do I think the scene would have worked without the nudity? 1654 01:17:23,811 --> 01:17:26,365 Probably not, that particular scene no. 1655 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,300 Because the whole scene was engineered toward the fact 1656 01:17:30,335 --> 01:17:32,026 that we were seeing this woman naked. 1657 01:17:32,061 --> 01:17:35,029 And it's also a beautifully lit scene, 1658 01:17:35,064 --> 01:17:37,687 and it's very attractive. 1659 01:17:37,722 --> 01:17:38,999 And it's sexy in its way. 1660 01:17:40,725 --> 01:17:42,899 - Yes, "The Howling II," 1661 01:17:42,934 --> 01:17:47,939 I was contracted to do that nude scene. 1662 01:17:49,285 --> 01:17:52,598 And started out with the ripping, I call it the rip away, 1663 01:17:52,633 --> 01:17:55,878 the rip away dress, where I tore my dress open 1664 01:17:55,912 --> 01:17:58,052 and then we have a threesome. 1665 01:17:58,087 --> 01:18:00,572 - So they make her like a blonde werewolf. 1666 01:18:00,606 --> 01:18:04,265 She's in kind of a bodysuit, but they've got hair 1667 01:18:05,404 --> 01:18:08,304 glued all over her breasts, and down here. 1668 01:18:09,305 --> 01:18:11,376 Kind of a bush down here, fur. 1669 01:18:12,757 --> 01:18:14,241 And you'll have to ask Philippe Mora about that, 1670 01:18:14,275 --> 01:18:18,176 because he's a crazy guy, and he directed the two sequels. 1671 01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:21,006 And they're snarling at each other, and Philippe was going, 1672 01:18:21,041 --> 01:18:25,528 this is got to be the first three way in werewolf history. 1673 01:18:25,562 --> 01:18:28,289 [dramatic music] 1674 01:18:29,877 --> 01:18:32,915 - "Personal Best," is, I think, the best movie 1675 01:18:32,949 --> 01:18:35,124 I've ever seen about the athletic experience. 1676 01:18:35,158 --> 01:18:39,266 Margaux Hemingway plays this track and field athlete. 1677 01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:41,751 And she falls in love with an 1678 01:18:41,786 --> 01:18:43,788 older woman who is also an athlete. 1679 01:18:43,822 --> 01:18:46,756 - It was controversial, there's no question. 1680 01:18:46,791 --> 01:18:49,414 It was the first film of its kind. 1681 01:18:49,448 --> 01:18:52,762 - But this is a film that explored a lesbian relationship, 1682 01:18:52,797 --> 01:18:55,558 not just as something that was part of a male fantasy, 1683 01:18:55,592 --> 01:18:57,422 or in some sort of soft core film. 1684 01:18:57,456 --> 01:18:59,665 And the subject was treated with respect. 1685 01:18:59,700 --> 01:19:02,289 - There was enormous controversy about this. 1686 01:19:02,323 --> 01:19:04,291 I mean it was Margaux Hemingway's 1687 01:19:04,325 --> 01:19:05,879 doing a sex scene with a woman. 1688 01:19:05,913 --> 01:19:08,813 She winds up with a man at the end of the film, 1689 01:19:08,847 --> 01:19:12,092 which was a claim that lesbianism is a phase. 1690 01:19:12,126 --> 01:19:14,473 But the last line of that movie restates 1691 01:19:14,508 --> 01:19:17,338 the women as the important relationship. 1692 01:19:17,373 --> 01:19:19,582 - The nudity was again a little more akin 1693 01:19:19,616 --> 01:19:21,273 to what real life was all about it. 1694 01:19:21,308 --> 01:19:23,413 If two women are in the steam room, 1695 01:19:23,448 --> 01:19:25,105 and they're athletes, they're probably not gonna 1696 01:19:25,139 --> 01:19:28,418 have towels that go from below their knees to their chins. 1697 01:19:28,453 --> 01:19:29,799 They're probably gonna take the towels off, 1698 01:19:29,834 --> 01:19:32,181 and be naked, and just continue to talk. 1699 01:19:32,215 --> 01:19:36,012 - Nudity is expected when the story supports it. 1700 01:19:36,047 --> 01:19:39,809 It's really not about, I need this gratuitous 1701 01:19:39,844 --> 01:19:43,502 moment of nudity to accentuate this. 1702 01:19:43,537 --> 01:19:46,333 Now, there have been movies, and there are tons of them, 1703 01:19:46,367 --> 01:19:50,371 where that's definitely the reason why they put it in there. 1704 01:19:50,406 --> 01:19:52,788 I would say that, "Star 80," affected my career 1705 01:19:52,822 --> 01:19:54,686 far more than, "Personal Best," did. 1706 01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,827 "Star 80," was more difficult for people to watch. 1707 01:19:57,862 --> 01:20:00,002 - It's about this meteoric rise 1708 01:20:00,036 --> 01:20:03,212 of this girl who worked at a Dairy Queen in Canada. 1709 01:20:03,246 --> 01:20:04,696 - May I take your order now? 1710 01:20:04,730 --> 01:20:08,734 - I'll like something sweet, soft, and white, you. 1711 01:20:08,769 --> 01:20:10,357 - [Mike] To Playmate of the Year, 1712 01:20:10,391 --> 01:20:14,050 and then co-starring in a film by Peter Bogdanovich, 1713 01:20:14,085 --> 01:20:16,294 with whom she also had a romantic relationship. 1714 01:20:16,328 --> 01:20:18,675 - You shouldn't chew gum, it's got sugar in it. 1715 01:20:20,919 --> 01:20:24,750 - [Mike] That ends horrifically, with pimpy husband, 1716 01:20:24,785 --> 01:20:27,512 Paul Schneider, murdering her with a shotgun. 1717 01:20:27,546 --> 01:20:30,032 [gun fires] 1718 01:20:30,066 --> 01:20:31,481 And violating the corpse, 1719 01:20:31,516 --> 01:20:33,207 and then blowing his own head off. 1720 01:20:33,242 --> 01:20:35,831 [gun fires] 1721 01:20:35,865 --> 01:20:37,177 - And in a film like, "Star 80," 1722 01:20:37,211 --> 01:20:39,489 nudity is absolutely necessary. 1723 01:20:39,524 --> 01:20:42,044 It's like, well in a Playboy movie, 1724 01:20:42,078 --> 01:20:44,149 or a movie about about Playboy. 1725 01:20:44,184 --> 01:20:45,841 - That's called the bunny dip. 1726 01:20:45,875 --> 01:20:48,913 - [Eric] You're gonna see some breasts, it's their life. 1727 01:20:48,947 --> 01:20:51,501 - There was a big misinterpretation 1728 01:20:51,536 --> 01:20:53,193 about how I got the role. 1729 01:20:53,227 --> 01:20:55,229 - It was so much attention over her 1730 01:20:55,264 --> 01:20:58,336 breast augmentation, it was ridiculous. 1731 01:20:58,370 --> 01:21:00,856 - Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten the role, 1732 01:21:00,890 --> 01:21:04,031 had I not had breasts, that's absolutely the truth. 1733 01:21:04,066 --> 01:21:06,413 - She had that done for the movie. 1734 01:21:06,447 --> 01:21:08,553 Yeah she did, and so? 1735 01:21:08,587 --> 01:21:10,003 - But I did it for me. 1736 01:21:10,037 --> 01:21:13,420 I wouldn't have done that because of a movie. 1737 01:21:13,454 --> 01:21:14,559 - August. 1738 01:21:14,593 --> 01:21:17,010 - Oh Mr. Hefner, thank you. 1739 01:21:17,044 --> 01:21:18,218 - I gotta be honest with you. 1740 01:21:18,252 --> 01:21:19,460 When I first got the script of, 1741 01:21:19,495 --> 01:21:22,015 "Star 80," I thought it was horrible. 1742 01:21:22,049 --> 01:21:23,775 - What's wrong with him? 1743 01:21:24,949 --> 01:21:27,744 - Well, he's got the personality of a pimp. 1744 01:21:27,779 --> 01:21:29,608 - But it's Bob Fosse. 1745 01:21:29,643 --> 01:21:31,748 - Bob Fosse did not want me for that role. 1746 01:21:31,783 --> 01:21:34,959 You're Tom boyish, you're from the mountains, 1747 01:21:34,993 --> 01:21:38,755 you're not a Playboy, you're not a sexy, girly type girl. 1748 01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:40,274 And I wasn't. 1749 01:21:40,309 --> 01:21:43,070 And that's exactly why I wanted to play her. 1750 01:21:43,105 --> 01:21:45,107 - I had a certain manager, 1751 01:21:45,141 --> 01:21:47,247 kept saying why aren't you a star? 1752 01:21:47,281 --> 01:21:48,938 Why aren't you still a superstar? 1753 01:21:48,973 --> 01:21:53,046 And I said with what movies, with what work? 1754 01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:54,254 There is no work. 1755 01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:57,050 And he put me in a certain movie called... 1756 01:21:57,084 --> 01:21:58,327 - [Announcer] "Chained Heat." 1757 01:21:58,361 --> 01:22:01,571 - There is a scene with John Vernon. 1758 01:22:01,606 --> 01:22:03,470 Got a little too excited. 1759 01:22:03,504 --> 01:22:05,990 And I'm gonna be as polite as I can about this. 1760 01:22:06,024 --> 01:22:10,960 He didn't follow the rules of working with stunts. 1761 01:22:13,204 --> 01:22:14,826 [slap lands] 1762 01:22:14,860 --> 01:22:15,654 [crying] 1763 01:22:15,689 --> 01:22:18,140 He hit me hard. 1764 01:22:18,174 --> 01:22:20,280 Not okay. 1765 01:22:24,111 --> 01:22:24,940 No. 1766 01:22:27,873 --> 01:22:29,427 The movie I signed to do, 1767 01:22:29,461 --> 01:22:31,877 was not the movie that we were filming. 1768 01:22:31,912 --> 01:22:33,810 They kept giving us script changes. 1769 01:22:33,845 --> 01:22:36,986 And I'm thinking, this is not okay with me. 1770 01:22:37,021 --> 01:22:42,026 My feeling is, I would rather see a breast, even a penis, 1771 01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:48,204 then I would violence, that's me. [laughing] 1772 01:22:49,723 --> 01:22:52,277 - The reason I think that the women in prison movies 1773 01:22:52,312 --> 01:22:55,349 were so important, especially in the '80s where, 1774 01:22:55,384 --> 01:22:58,007 "Rambo," and, "Commando," was coming out. 1775 01:22:58,042 --> 01:23:03,012 Women in prison, that works worldwide, translates very well. 1776 01:23:04,496 --> 01:23:06,050 - This is what we need to do, this is what is selling. 1777 01:23:06,084 --> 01:23:09,674 - Well yes, I mean we weren't doing, "Shawshank Redemption." 1778 01:23:10,778 --> 01:23:12,401 - [Linda] If you didn't agree to something, 1779 01:23:12,435 --> 01:23:13,919 you weren't gonna work. 1780 01:23:13,954 --> 01:23:16,888 - There is actually a list of what 1781 01:23:16,922 --> 01:23:21,030 the producers, the directors, and the distributors want. 1782 01:23:21,065 --> 01:23:24,309 We need three shower scenes, we need two rapes, 1783 01:23:24,344 --> 01:23:26,208 we need this, we need that. 1784 01:23:26,242 --> 01:23:28,210 - You know for, "Valley Girl," it was simply 1785 01:23:28,244 --> 01:23:30,729 a distribution deal, necessity. 1786 01:23:30,764 --> 01:23:33,422 - Atlantic Releasing said it when I met with them. 1787 01:23:33,456 --> 01:23:36,356 And they said well, we've made them agree. 1788 01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:38,323 You are going to show naked breasts 1789 01:23:38,358 --> 01:23:40,429 in four scenes in this movie. 1790 01:23:40,463 --> 01:23:44,571 - It was like in the contract as nudity. 1791 01:23:44,605 --> 01:23:48,230 We need three sets of boobs in this particular film. 1792 01:23:48,264 --> 01:23:49,231 - Is that a problem for you? 1793 01:23:49,265 --> 01:23:50,749 I said no. 1794 01:23:50,784 --> 01:23:54,167 Is it a problem if I do it whatever way I think of? 1795 01:23:54,201 --> 01:23:56,790 And they said no, we don't care how we see them. 1796 01:23:56,824 --> 01:23:58,274 We just want to see them. 1797 01:23:58,309 --> 01:24:02,727 And so they would send me little notes, more breasts. 1798 01:24:02,761 --> 01:24:05,523 - My manager, who was a woman, said to me, 1799 01:24:05,557 --> 01:24:08,250 oh actresses do this all the time, it's very common. 1800 01:24:08,284 --> 01:24:11,080 And it's okay, and it's nothing to be embarrassed about. 1801 01:24:11,115 --> 01:24:12,599 - When I read the script, I was like oh yeah, 1802 01:24:12,633 --> 01:24:14,946 I'll do this movie, but I don't want to do the nudity. 1803 01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:18,708 They can probably just get somebody else in the movie. 1804 01:24:18,743 --> 01:24:20,538 - And I thought that was interesting, 1805 01:24:20,572 --> 01:24:23,058 because a woman is saying that to me and not a man. 1806 01:24:23,092 --> 01:24:25,750 - And then I remember my agent at the time saying, 1807 01:24:25,784 --> 01:24:28,408 okay well I'll talk to them and tell them that. 1808 01:24:28,442 --> 01:24:29,788 And then what happened was my agent 1809 01:24:29,823 --> 01:24:31,100 didn't talk to them and tell them that. 1810 01:24:31,135 --> 01:24:32,619 - I was skeptical. 1811 01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:34,724 Is she saying that because she wants me 1812 01:24:34,759 --> 01:24:36,001 to get the job and do the job? 1813 01:24:36,036 --> 01:24:37,589 Or is she saying that because 1814 01:24:37,624 --> 01:24:40,489 that is how it's perceived in the world? 1815 01:24:40,523 --> 01:24:42,629 - Years later, it's all over the internet forever and ever, 1816 01:24:42,663 --> 01:24:44,424 for the rest of my life, which I don't mind. 1817 01:24:44,458 --> 01:24:46,460 'Cause I've done total nudity in movies. 1818 01:24:46,495 --> 01:24:49,463 But to me I don't want to be the pair of boobs 1819 01:24:49,498 --> 01:24:51,396 for that distribution deal, I want to be 1820 01:24:51,431 --> 01:24:54,710 the pair of boobs 'cause it matters to the scene. 1821 01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,611 - Well, I kind of felt like nudity was an important element 1822 01:24:59,646 --> 01:25:02,166 in the sex scenes in, "Fast Times," 1823 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,928 because it would be uncomfortable. 1824 01:25:05,962 --> 01:25:08,137 - Yeah well, the see with Jennifer Jason Leigh 1825 01:25:08,172 --> 01:25:12,279 in the dugout with the older man, very tough scene 1826 01:25:12,314 --> 01:25:16,145 to watch, very hurtful, very realistic. 1827 01:25:16,180 --> 01:25:19,252 - This is not how you wanted it, or imagined it. 1828 01:25:19,286 --> 01:25:22,117 And your mind is not in the space 1829 01:25:22,151 --> 01:25:25,672 that makes you feel the way you thought you would feel. 1830 01:25:25,706 --> 01:25:30,711 I thought when I got lucky enough to direct a movie that 1831 01:25:32,092 --> 01:25:35,130 I would be able to show it from a different point of view. 1832 01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:39,306 - She takes nudity, and intimacy, and the messiness 1833 01:25:39,341 --> 01:25:42,309 of being a young person trying to figure it out. 1834 01:25:42,344 --> 01:25:44,139 And she looks at it through a couple different angles. 1835 01:25:44,173 --> 01:25:47,487 - It's strange, you have to tell them exactly 1836 01:25:47,521 --> 01:25:49,661 what they're doing, where the hands, 1837 01:25:49,696 --> 01:25:51,180 where they're touching what. 1838 01:25:51,215 --> 01:25:55,011 Because it's almost like, more than in other scenes, 1839 01:25:55,046 --> 01:25:58,049 they need the permission to do the things. 1840 01:25:58,083 --> 01:26:02,295 And then to see a naked guy for the first time, 1841 01:26:02,329 --> 01:26:05,677 would be quite a freak out for a young girl. 1842 01:26:05,712 --> 01:26:08,473 But as it turned out, I was not allowed to do that. 1843 01:26:08,508 --> 01:26:12,926 And they said if you have that shot, you'll get an X rating. 1844 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,893 When I saw the scene cut together, 1845 01:26:14,928 --> 01:26:18,345 it did not occur to me like oh that's an X rated scene. 1846 01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:21,210 To me X rated meant porn. 1847 01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:23,937 So we had to blow it up. 1848 01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:25,559 So just like in every other film, 1849 01:26:25,594 --> 01:26:29,425 you saw a guy who's topless, which is nothing essentially. 1850 01:26:30,564 --> 01:26:32,566 - I think I came. 1851 01:26:32,601 --> 01:26:33,567 Didn't you feel it? 1852 01:26:34,603 --> 01:26:35,776 - Yeah, I guess I did. 1853 01:26:35,811 --> 01:26:37,571 - So it was cut way down. 1854 01:26:37,606 --> 01:26:40,436 And they said see, it's better now. 1855 01:26:40,471 --> 01:26:44,026 Like we improved your scene. 1856 01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:46,097 And, like thanks a lot. 1857 01:26:46,131 --> 01:26:47,719 - I don't know if we could make it now. 1858 01:26:47,754 --> 01:26:50,412 Back then some of the objections might be more from 1859 01:26:50,446 --> 01:26:53,725 the right wing, kind of conservative Christian side. 1860 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,764 Now, the objection might be more from the left which is, 1861 01:26:57,798 --> 01:27:00,939 well, if someone's having sex, someone's being exploited. 1862 01:27:00,974 --> 01:27:03,908 - I mean distinguishing between essential nudity, 1863 01:27:03,942 --> 01:27:06,600 and exploitation nudity is really tricky, 1864 01:27:06,635 --> 01:27:09,396 because sometimes they clash even in the same film. 1865 01:27:09,431 --> 01:27:12,123 - To me the greatest nude scene in 1866 01:27:12,157 --> 01:27:14,263 the history of movies is Phoebe Cates 1867 01:27:14,298 --> 01:27:16,472 in, "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." 1868 01:27:16,507 --> 01:27:19,130 Judge Reinhold then steps into the bathroom, 1869 01:27:19,164 --> 01:27:20,649 takes a peek out the window 1870 01:27:20,683 --> 01:27:23,824 at Phoebe Cates in this luminous red bikini. 1871 01:27:24,756 --> 01:27:27,483 [dramatic music] 1872 01:27:30,003 --> 01:27:30,831 - Hi Brad. 1873 01:27:32,661 --> 01:27:34,663 You know how cute I always thought you were. 1874 01:27:34,697 --> 01:27:36,803 - You know, I feel kind of uncomfortable 1875 01:27:36,837 --> 01:27:39,909 about the whole thing because I didn't want to be, 1876 01:27:39,944 --> 01:27:42,774 oh I'm the one that's insisting that 1877 01:27:44,189 --> 01:27:47,641 she do a topless scene, but it was in the script, 1878 01:27:47,676 --> 01:27:49,471 and it was a scene that was needed. 1879 01:27:49,505 --> 01:27:52,991 Because we wanted to show the big disconnect 1880 01:27:53,026 --> 01:27:56,167 between what the fantasy is, and then 1881 01:27:56,201 --> 01:27:59,895 the humiliation of it not being that. 1882 01:28:02,035 --> 01:28:03,830 - Oh, wait just a minute. 1883 01:28:05,003 --> 01:28:07,489 - And I really told her she had to talk to 1884 01:28:07,523 --> 01:28:10,457 the producer, Art Linson, who handled it. 1885 01:28:10,492 --> 01:28:12,977 - Doesn't anybody fucking knock anymore? 1886 01:28:13,011 --> 01:28:15,600 - I think the scene works, and I think it helps 1887 01:28:15,635 --> 01:28:20,225 the humor of what happens to Judge Reinhold after that. 1888 01:28:20,260 --> 01:28:21,434 - [Announcer] What they're teaching 1889 01:28:21,468 --> 01:28:24,471 in private school isn't private anymore. 1890 01:28:25,748 --> 01:28:28,475 Especially at the Cherryvale Academy for Girls. 1891 01:28:29,821 --> 01:28:31,306 - Are are feeling romantic now, my darling? 1892 01:28:31,340 --> 01:28:35,482 - "Private School," is a classic bawdy farce plot. 1893 01:28:35,517 --> 01:28:40,107 Three guys dress in drag to sneak into the girls academy. 1894 01:28:41,246 --> 01:28:42,662 - You only go around once in life, 1895 01:28:42,696 --> 01:28:44,180 and you gotta grab for all the nookie you can get. 1896 01:28:44,215 --> 01:28:46,666 - Well, first of all Phoebe Cates, she was my idol. 1897 01:28:46,700 --> 01:28:49,807 She said, are you are you worried about the nudity at all? 1898 01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:53,017 And I said, why would I be worried about the nudity? 1899 01:28:53,051 --> 01:28:55,537 I said it's a great role, I'm not worried about it. 1900 01:28:55,571 --> 01:28:57,849 She said oh good, I'm so happy, 'cause I was 1901 01:28:57,884 --> 01:29:00,024 naked like 25 times in, "Paradise." 1902 01:29:00,058 --> 01:29:01,715 And we just hit it off. 1903 01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:04,546 - "Private School," also contains one of the best remembered 1904 01:29:04,580 --> 01:29:07,687 shower scenes, because it goes on and on. 1905 01:29:07,721 --> 01:29:10,655 - So there's a boy who's dressed as a girl, 1906 01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:12,174 who's hiding in the sauna. 1907 01:29:12,208 --> 01:29:14,487 And he's voyeuristically watching 1908 01:29:14,521 --> 01:29:16,247 all these girls take showers. 1909 01:29:16,281 --> 01:29:19,423 And in the movie you see me in the shower a long time. 1910 01:29:19,457 --> 01:29:22,598 Then you see me in the locker room getting dressed. 1911 01:29:22,633 --> 01:29:25,187 Then it cuts back, and I'm in the shower again. 1912 01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:27,914 I did so many shower scenes, that I always 1913 01:29:27,948 --> 01:29:30,951 thought of myself as the cleanest actress in Hollywood. 1914 01:29:30,986 --> 01:29:32,953 - Phoebe Cates and Matthew Modine, 1915 01:29:32,988 --> 01:29:35,956 they were excited about losing their virginity. 1916 01:29:35,991 --> 01:29:38,407 And then my character, Jordan, 1917 01:29:38,442 --> 01:29:41,410 was interested in Matthew Modine's character. 1918 01:29:41,445 --> 01:29:44,758 So I tried to steal him away from her. 1919 01:29:44,793 --> 01:29:48,313 - The scene of her horseback riding is maybe the, 1920 01:29:49,660 --> 01:29:51,109 I don't know whether to say the high point or the low point. 1921 01:29:51,144 --> 01:29:53,249 But it's the something point of gratuitous nudity. 1922 01:29:53,284 --> 01:29:54,699 - [Linda] Surprise. 1923 01:29:54,734 --> 01:29:55,942 - [Richard] Because not only does she 1924 01:29:55,976 --> 01:29:57,737 take off her top and ride on the horse, 1925 01:29:57,771 --> 01:30:00,429 but then they give us a slow motion replay. 1926 01:30:00,464 --> 01:30:02,431 - I said how about if my helmet falls off? 1927 01:30:02,466 --> 01:30:05,296 And then my hair can blow in the wind in slow motion. 1928 01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:07,712 And they said oh we love it, that's a great idea. 1929 01:30:07,747 --> 01:30:09,645 When am I ever gonna look this good again? 1930 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,304 Why not have it on film for the rest of time, 1931 01:30:13,338 --> 01:30:16,480 where I can remember, oh my gosh I looked great? 1932 01:30:16,514 --> 01:30:18,758 And I had no problem with any of it. 1933 01:30:18,792 --> 01:30:20,104 - Okay, "Last American Virgin," 1934 01:30:20,138 --> 01:30:22,831 is a movie that is very unexpected. 1935 01:30:22,865 --> 01:30:25,765 What do you do if two best friends fall for the same girl? 1936 01:30:25,799 --> 01:30:28,802 She winds up choosing to be with the guy who's more popular. 1937 01:30:28,837 --> 01:30:33,462 Gary is the guy who's shyer, maybe he's not as confident. 1938 01:30:33,497 --> 01:30:35,809 But he falls for her as well. 1939 01:30:35,844 --> 01:30:37,570 And it's a very simple story, it's a story 1940 01:30:37,604 --> 01:30:39,572 that I think happens to a lot of people. 1941 01:30:39,606 --> 01:30:40,814 - Listen, will you count me out, Rick? 1942 01:30:40,849 --> 01:30:41,988 - Hey, do you want to get laid or not? 1943 01:30:42,022 --> 01:30:44,473 - Look, I'd rather screw Godzilla than them. 1944 01:30:44,508 --> 01:30:47,200 - The love scene in, "Virgin," 1945 01:30:47,234 --> 01:30:50,824 I think what I really loved about it, it was slow. 1946 01:30:50,859 --> 01:30:53,965 And it was gentle, and it was beautiful. 1947 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,002 Again, guys would not come in and see this film 1948 01:30:56,036 --> 01:30:59,350 unless they thought, I'm gonna get to see some girls naked. 1949 01:30:59,384 --> 01:31:01,317 And then they learn about this beauty, 1950 01:31:01,352 --> 01:31:03,837 this kind of romantic aspect to it. 1951 01:31:03,872 --> 01:31:06,668 It kind of lures guys in with the nudity aspect. 1952 01:31:06,702 --> 01:31:09,222 - [Mike] The movie is crazy, it's full of pranks. 1953 01:31:10,568 --> 01:31:11,673 - That's nine inches. 1954 01:31:13,882 --> 01:31:17,679 - Oh my God, I'm having a heart attack, help! 1955 01:31:18,852 --> 01:31:21,165 - Mel, can I borrow your breath spray? 1956 01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:22,649 - I didn't want to be typecast 1957 01:31:22,684 --> 01:31:24,064 as someone who just did nudity. 1958 01:31:24,099 --> 01:31:28,034 I didn't have the the choices that women do today. 1959 01:31:28,068 --> 01:31:30,519 And I'm very happy to see that women today 1960 01:31:30,554 --> 01:31:33,971 have the choices where, they can choose to do nudity or not. 1961 01:31:34,005 --> 01:31:35,697 If a woman's comfortable with it, great. 1962 01:31:35,731 --> 01:31:38,216 and if they don't, that's fine too. 1963 01:31:38,251 --> 01:31:40,874 It doesn't mean you're going to be 1964 01:31:40,909 --> 01:31:42,669 given more or less of an opportunity. 1965 01:31:42,704 --> 01:31:44,878 I think it just has to do with who you are. 1966 01:31:44,913 --> 01:31:47,502 - "No Way Out," is a 1987 movie, 1967 01:31:47,536 --> 01:31:49,987 and it's where I think a lot of people really became 1968 01:31:50,021 --> 01:31:53,093 Sean Young and Kevin Costner fans. 1969 01:31:53,128 --> 01:31:55,164 - You're pretty impressed with me. 1970 01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:56,027 - No. 1971 01:31:57,753 --> 01:31:58,789 - Yes, you are. 1972 01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,240 - I remember Roger Donaldson said at the end 1973 01:32:02,275 --> 01:32:05,692 of the audition, when he finally offered me the part. 1974 01:32:05,727 --> 01:32:07,073 He said well, lift up your shirt let me see. 1975 01:32:07,107 --> 01:32:08,108 I don't want to make sure you don't have 1976 01:32:08,143 --> 01:32:09,731 any scars or anything on you. 1977 01:32:09,765 --> 01:32:11,595 And so I was like, okay. 1978 01:32:12,941 --> 01:32:16,841 And it was really ridiculous on a certain level. 1979 01:32:16,876 --> 01:32:20,017 It's not like you could say to the producers, 1980 01:32:20,051 --> 01:32:22,951 I love this part but I don't want to do the nudity. 1981 01:32:22,985 --> 01:32:25,091 That was like, you had to do the nudity, 1982 01:32:25,125 --> 01:32:27,714 because that was what they were banking on 1983 01:32:27,749 --> 01:32:31,062 as part of their sexy project. 1984 01:32:32,477 --> 01:32:34,272 - The key scene in that movie, and the one I think 1985 01:32:34,307 --> 01:32:37,931 fans of '80s sex scenes remember, 1986 01:32:37,966 --> 01:32:41,107 is in the limo when they're driving around Washington. 1987 01:32:41,141 --> 01:32:44,282 - Well, I remember doing the love scene and thinking 1988 01:32:44,317 --> 01:32:48,252 how retarded it was that I was the only one 1989 01:32:48,286 --> 01:32:51,255 undressed, and Kevin was nervous. 1990 01:32:51,289 --> 01:32:53,257 Kevin was really nervous. 1991 01:32:53,291 --> 01:32:54,879 And I remember turning to him and saying 1992 01:32:54,914 --> 01:32:56,812 you're dressed, what are you talking about? 1993 01:32:56,847 --> 01:32:59,470 Get it together, would you? 1994 01:32:59,504 --> 01:33:02,611 - There's a scene early in the movie that's really sexy 1995 01:33:02,646 --> 01:33:05,234 where Sean Young is in a mink coat, 1996 01:33:05,269 --> 01:33:08,790 and just opens it up in the hallway of her apartment. 1997 01:33:08,824 --> 01:33:11,516 - Hey now, you better beat it before I get arrested. 1998 01:33:13,277 --> 01:33:14,312 Bye, Nina. 1999 01:33:14,347 --> 01:33:16,487 - Oh, nice meeting you, Tom. 2000 01:33:16,521 --> 01:33:18,489 - People thought it was a really sexy scene. 2001 01:33:18,523 --> 01:33:20,802 And they thought it was kind of humorous, 2002 01:33:20,836 --> 01:33:22,838 and casual, and very comfortable. 2003 01:33:22,873 --> 01:33:26,186 And it's interesting because that's kind of good acting, 2004 01:33:26,221 --> 01:33:28,326 where really you're in a situation where 2005 01:33:28,361 --> 01:33:31,019 you don't really want to be, and you're trying 2006 01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:34,747 to make it look comfortable and and authentic. 2007 01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:37,508 You don't have to say anything. 2008 01:33:37,542 --> 01:33:39,337 You never say a word. 2009 01:33:39,372 --> 01:33:42,927 So the double edge is, always in show business, 2010 01:33:42,962 --> 01:33:44,377 is you want to be attractive enough 2011 01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,068 that people want you to be naked. 2012 01:33:48,036 --> 01:33:52,488 But you want to work with people that aren't gonna abuse it. 2013 01:33:52,523 --> 01:33:55,802 - Traci Lords is obviously famous for being a porn star 2014 01:33:55,837 --> 01:33:58,011 who got into the business underage, 2015 01:33:58,046 --> 01:34:02,015 and then all of those films she made quickly became illegal. 2016 01:34:02,050 --> 01:34:04,846 About 1987, she did a movie produced 2017 01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,676 by Roger Corman called, "Not of This Earth." 2018 01:34:07,711 --> 01:34:11,335 - It was my first mainstream, leading role. 2019 01:34:11,369 --> 01:34:13,682 And it changed everything. 2020 01:34:13,717 --> 01:34:15,201 - Actually when you get to know me better, 2021 01:34:15,235 --> 01:34:17,410 I'm really a sweetheart of a guy. 2022 01:34:17,444 --> 01:34:19,515 - I bet Attila the Hun felt the same way. 2023 01:34:20,896 --> 01:34:22,484 Well, when I read the script for, "Not of This Earth," 2024 01:34:22,518 --> 01:34:25,832 it was clear where there was nudity in the film. 2025 01:34:26,937 --> 01:34:28,904 No Tommy, not here. 2026 01:34:29,767 --> 01:34:31,389 - Oh, you gotta be jacking me? 2027 01:34:32,425 --> 01:34:33,564 - I was jacking you before, 2028 01:34:33,598 --> 01:34:35,048 now I'm just telling you something. 2029 01:34:35,083 --> 01:34:37,602 As in all of Roger Corman's, or at least the ones I've seen, 2030 01:34:37,637 --> 01:34:41,227 and Jim Wynorski films, you always had 2031 01:34:41,261 --> 01:34:43,229 the female character that somehow 2032 01:34:43,263 --> 01:34:45,541 manages to lose her top at some point. 2033 01:34:46,922 --> 01:34:49,545 And what do you do to earn your keep, 'sides hassle nurses? 2034 01:34:49,580 --> 01:34:50,823 - [Jeremy] Most anything. 2035 01:34:50,857 --> 01:34:52,376 - Such as? 2036 01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:54,723 - [Jeremy] Such as fixing meals that Johnson never eats. 2037 01:34:54,758 --> 01:34:58,554 - I mean all kinds of bizarre ridiculous scenarios. 2038 01:34:58,589 --> 01:35:00,902 - Why don't you take off them glasses? 2039 01:35:00,936 --> 01:35:03,698 You wouldn't want to miss any of this. 2040 01:35:03,732 --> 01:35:06,735 - That's just the way that they had their formula. 2041 01:35:06,770 --> 01:35:07,598 That's what they did. 2042 01:35:07,632 --> 01:35:08,841 [girls screaming] 2043 01:35:08,875 --> 01:35:12,430 And for me it wasn't that big of a deal. 2044 01:35:12,465 --> 01:35:14,536 It was never a conversation that 2045 01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:16,434 I had with the director, or Roger. 2046 01:35:16,469 --> 01:35:19,852 It was, here's this lead role, do you want this? 2047 01:35:19,886 --> 01:35:22,302 [calm music] 2048 01:35:23,752 --> 01:35:25,236 - "Henry and June," was the first film to receive 2049 01:35:25,271 --> 01:35:27,273 an NC-17 because that was the first film 2050 01:35:27,307 --> 01:35:28,930 we happened to see that hit that level 2051 01:35:28,964 --> 01:35:32,071 after we trademarked the rating. 2052 01:35:32,105 --> 01:35:33,451 - Then all of a sudden X just became 2053 01:35:33,486 --> 01:35:36,903 a subset of the rating system that became so onerous 2054 01:35:36,938 --> 01:35:38,629 that they had to actually get rid of 2055 01:35:38,663 --> 01:35:40,769 the X rating altogether, and change it 2056 01:35:40,804 --> 01:35:44,152 to NC-17, which is kind of a toothless rating. 2057 01:35:44,186 --> 01:35:46,395 - "Henry and June," is about the author Henry Miller, 2058 01:35:46,430 --> 01:35:48,915 who wrote a lot of really tawdry novels. 2059 01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:52,332 And so his life, which included his wife June, 2060 01:35:52,367 --> 01:35:55,232 and he having kind of a strange polyamorous 2061 01:35:55,266 --> 01:35:58,097 sort of three-way relationship with Anais Nin, 2062 01:35:58,131 --> 01:35:59,926 another author of sort of erotica. 2063 01:35:59,961 --> 01:36:02,135 - And Henry and June took full advantage 2064 01:36:02,170 --> 01:36:05,932 of that NC-17 rating with the lesbian scene 2065 01:36:05,967 --> 01:36:08,659 between UMA Thurman and Maria de Medeiros. 2066 01:36:11,938 --> 01:36:13,629 - Fred Ward, plays Henry Miller, 2067 01:36:13,664 --> 01:36:15,804 is naked in quite a lot of that movie too. 2068 01:36:15,839 --> 01:36:18,151 And I applaud the fact that the the sex scenes 2069 01:36:18,186 --> 01:36:20,084 were not, they didn't pull back. 2070 01:36:20,119 --> 01:36:22,500 Because the authors and the people in question 2071 01:36:22,535 --> 01:36:24,537 were so kind of open about their sexuality 2072 01:36:24,571 --> 01:36:25,987 "Bad Lieutenant," from 1992. 2073 01:36:26,021 --> 01:36:28,196 And this movie also got an NC-17 rating. 2074 01:36:28,230 --> 01:36:29,956 But Harvey Keitel is an actor who 2075 01:36:29,991 --> 01:36:31,647 has appeared nude in quite a few movies. 2076 01:36:31,682 --> 01:36:34,167 But this one was the most kind of out there. 2077 01:36:34,202 --> 01:36:37,032 And he looks like a guy at the end of his rope. 2078 01:36:37,067 --> 01:36:38,827 Not just a bad police officer, 2079 01:36:38,862 --> 01:36:41,450 but he is a drug addict, he's a murderer. 2080 01:36:41,485 --> 01:36:43,832 He's just an all around bad person. 2081 01:36:45,869 --> 01:36:47,698 - [LT] You fucking stand there, 2082 01:36:47,732 --> 01:36:50,114 and you want me to do every fucking thing. 2083 01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:54,015 - Keitel is drunk, and he's very naked. 2084 01:36:54,049 --> 01:36:56,120 It's not disgusting because he's naked in it, 2085 01:36:56,155 --> 01:36:58,157 the character is disgusting. 2086 01:36:58,191 --> 01:36:59,192 You know what's coming 'cause 2087 01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:00,711 it's so infamous in that movie. 2088 01:37:00,745 --> 01:37:04,025 But it's a powerful moment for that character, I think. 2089 01:37:04,059 --> 01:37:07,545 - In 1992 the movie, "The Crying Game," was released. 2090 01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:10,686 It really became a hit because of a surprise, 2091 01:37:10,721 --> 01:37:13,206 a secret that was supposed to be kept 2092 01:37:13,241 --> 01:37:15,450 about some big revelation in the film. 2093 01:37:17,245 --> 01:37:19,557 - And it's like the song, "Lola." 2094 01:37:19,592 --> 01:37:22,767 She walks like a woman, and talks like a man. 2095 01:37:22,802 --> 01:37:25,253 [calm music] 2096 01:37:29,188 --> 01:37:30,430 - [Dil] You did know, didn't you? 2097 01:37:30,465 --> 01:37:31,397 - It was stunning. 2098 01:37:31,431 --> 01:37:35,194 And it was done so brilliantly, 2099 01:37:35,228 --> 01:37:37,886 and it's a beautiful film, and it's a great film. 2100 01:37:37,921 --> 01:37:41,165 But I think it also played off of the fact that we expect 2101 01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,237 to see certain things in movies when it comes to nudity. 2102 01:37:44,272 --> 01:37:49,001 We're taking male sexuality, and we're playing with it. 2103 01:37:49,035 --> 01:37:51,589 And that makes most men very uncomfortable. 2104 01:37:51,624 --> 01:37:53,798 - No, don't ask me in. 2105 01:37:53,833 --> 01:37:54,765 - Please, Jude. 2106 01:37:54,799 --> 01:37:57,906 - No, I can't pretend that much. 2107 01:37:57,941 --> 01:38:01,254 - It says as much about how we expect to see things in movies 2108 01:38:01,289 --> 01:38:03,843 as about the movie itself, and the characters in it. 2109 01:38:06,811 --> 01:38:08,192 - In the early mid 1990s there was 2110 01:38:08,227 --> 01:38:12,300 this just cluster of erotic thrillers. 2111 01:38:12,334 --> 01:38:16,821 - There were so many movies where women became empowered. 2112 01:38:16,856 --> 01:38:20,825 - "Basic Instinct," is another film that had the kind 2113 01:38:20,860 --> 01:38:24,795 of publicity you can't manufacture in advance. 2114 01:38:24,829 --> 01:38:26,141 - Are you sorry he's dead? 2115 01:38:27,004 --> 01:38:27,867 - Yeah. 2116 01:38:28,972 --> 01:38:30,559 I liked fucking him. 2117 01:38:30,594 --> 01:38:32,285 - You've got Michael Douglas. 2118 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,459 - Games are over. 2119 01:38:33,493 --> 01:38:35,461 - Playing a sex addict in the movie. 2120 01:38:35,495 --> 01:38:37,912 And he just literally is 2121 01:38:37,946 --> 01:38:40,328 up to his eyeballs in Sharon Stone's 2122 01:38:44,504 --> 01:38:45,333 charisma. 2123 01:38:47,473 --> 01:38:50,441 - It's really really rare, and certainly at the time 2124 01:38:50,476 --> 01:38:53,824 for any actress to do that graphic of a nude scene, 2125 01:38:53,858 --> 01:38:56,689 where she uncrosses and crosses her legs like that. 2126 01:38:56,723 --> 01:38:58,449 - It's one of the most famous 2127 01:38:58,484 --> 01:39:01,832 and iconic scenes in contemporary cinema. 2128 01:39:01,866 --> 01:39:03,834 - But the scene that was 2129 01:39:03,868 --> 01:39:06,319 really surprising to me was the beginning. 2130 01:39:06,354 --> 01:39:08,770 It wasn't just that she was naked and to be 2131 01:39:08,804 --> 01:39:11,462 a tool of some other man's sexual gratification. 2132 01:39:11,497 --> 01:39:13,637 She was naked, and murdered a man. 2133 01:39:13,671 --> 01:39:18,262 And so that juxtaposition of clearly intentional, 2134 01:39:18,297 --> 01:39:20,678 clearly acting and planning out 2135 01:39:20,713 --> 01:39:25,166 her plans but also naked is stuck in my mind. 2136 01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:30,033 - One of the most empowering images, or nudity in film 2137 01:39:30,067 --> 01:39:31,862 that I can recall, or the first thing that 2138 01:39:31,896 --> 01:39:35,038 really struck me was Julianne Moore in, "Short Cuts." 2139 01:39:35,072 --> 01:39:37,005 - It's more like she is so in her scene 2140 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,284 that she has no idea that she's bottomless. 2141 01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:42,493 So it makes the scene funny, and real, 2142 01:39:42,528 --> 01:39:45,358 and gives me more empathy towards her. 2143 01:39:45,393 --> 01:39:46,877 - I wonder whether anybody would even be 2144 01:39:46,911 --> 01:39:49,017 in the mood for a drink if had to drive around 2145 01:39:49,052 --> 01:39:51,330 half the night looking for an open market. 2146 01:39:51,364 --> 01:39:53,884 - Did he kiss you tits, did you touch him? 2147 01:39:53,918 --> 01:39:55,506 - Touch him? 2148 01:39:55,541 --> 01:39:56,991 Touch him? 2149 01:39:57,025 --> 01:39:58,993 - She has done so much nudity in so many different films 2150 01:39:59,027 --> 01:40:02,203 that it just seems like it's part of her career. 2151 01:40:02,237 --> 01:40:04,722 It doesn't seem like she's exploiting it, 2152 01:40:04,757 --> 01:40:07,587 or being exploited, it's just that she's an actress 2153 01:40:07,622 --> 01:40:11,039 who is completely comfortable with doing nudity. 2154 01:40:11,074 --> 01:40:14,698 - When the empathy is apt, then you know it's necessary. 2155 01:40:14,732 --> 01:40:17,839 When when the empathy is drained out, 2156 01:40:17,873 --> 01:40:19,565 there's objectification happening. 2157 01:40:19,599 --> 01:40:22,050 - "Showgirls," is just an old fashioned Hollywood story 2158 01:40:22,085 --> 01:40:24,087 about how a gal comes to Vegas and wants 2159 01:40:24,121 --> 01:40:26,158 to get naked so she can become a star. 2160 01:40:26,192 --> 01:40:27,331 I've seen it a million times before. 2161 01:40:27,366 --> 01:40:29,368 It actually, basically, is "All About Eve." 2162 01:40:29,402 --> 01:40:31,370 - Did you enjoy that out there? 2163 01:40:33,889 --> 01:40:35,581 - Yeah darling, I think I did. 2164 01:40:38,101 --> 01:40:39,550 - I hate you. 2165 01:40:39,585 --> 01:40:44,279 The Rena Riffel, Elizabeth Berkley, lesbian pole dance. 2166 01:40:44,314 --> 01:40:47,455 Between the lighting, the music, 2167 01:40:47,489 --> 01:40:51,217 the bumping and grinding, the reaction from the crowd. 2168 01:40:51,252 --> 01:40:54,910 It encapsulates everything, "Showgirls," is about. 2169 01:40:54,945 --> 01:40:59,087 - It's like jumping off a cliff, a short small cliff. 2170 01:41:01,469 --> 01:41:03,091 Like okay, I'm just gonna do it. 2171 01:41:03,126 --> 01:41:05,404 - Paul Verhoeven, and screenwriter Joe Eszterhas 2172 01:41:05,438 --> 01:41:08,096 wanted to make the movie NC-17, deliberately. 2173 01:41:08,131 --> 01:41:09,787 They wanted to get that rating. 2174 01:41:09,822 --> 01:41:12,066 - Was I just taken advantage of, and I thought that 2175 01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:15,241 I was being a really great committed actress, 2176 01:41:15,276 --> 01:41:17,726 but really they were just turning me into 2177 01:41:17,761 --> 01:41:21,282 like a soft core porn kind of performance? 2178 01:41:21,316 --> 01:41:24,008 That movie has like ruined my 2179 01:41:25,182 --> 01:41:28,944 personal life when it comes to relationships. 2180 01:41:28,979 --> 01:41:32,845 I get like nudity shamed all the time. 2181 01:41:32,879 --> 01:41:35,296 - When you do this, when you're a smart director, 2182 01:41:35,330 --> 01:41:37,125 you make the audience accept it. 2183 01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,989 You're not saying look, they're naked. 2184 01:41:39,023 --> 01:41:41,647 Okay, they're naked, they would be naked. 2185 01:41:41,681 --> 01:41:43,407 The same way as if you were making a movie 2186 01:41:43,442 --> 01:41:45,168 about construction workers, you'd expect 2187 01:41:45,202 --> 01:41:47,756 the characters to be wearing hardhats. 2188 01:41:47,791 --> 01:41:49,310 It really is the same thing. 2189 01:41:49,344 --> 01:41:51,829 - So Demi Moore in, "Striptease," the nudity 2190 01:41:51,864 --> 01:41:54,004 was interesting because she didn't look 2191 01:41:54,038 --> 01:41:56,351 anything like she did in, "About Last Night." 2192 01:41:56,386 --> 01:41:59,837 The reason is she had breast implants, and I think 2193 01:41:59,872 --> 01:42:03,186 she felt really good about herself, she looked amazing. 2194 01:42:03,220 --> 01:42:06,154 Obviously did those nude scenes, 2195 01:42:06,189 --> 01:42:09,675 with Burt Reynolds especially, that people remember. 2196 01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:11,884 - You just don't know how much I worship you. 2197 01:42:13,506 --> 01:42:14,438 - How much? 2198 01:42:16,060 --> 01:42:17,993 - I wonder if you could look at the trajectory 2199 01:42:18,028 --> 01:42:22,343 of nudity over one actress' career? 2200 01:42:22,377 --> 01:42:23,516 - You can absolutely trace 2201 01:42:23,551 --> 01:42:25,208 an actor's career via their nude scenes. 2202 01:42:25,242 --> 01:42:26,726 Take Teresa Russell, for example, 2203 01:42:26,761 --> 01:42:29,004 where she started early with, "Straight Time," 2204 01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:30,696 then Nicolas Roeg's, "Bad Timing," 2205 01:42:30,730 --> 01:42:33,147 then, "Eureka," then, "Black Widow," 2206 01:42:33,181 --> 01:42:35,804 then Ken Russell's, "Whore," and, "Wild Things." 2207 01:42:35,839 --> 01:42:38,980 And a very eclectic group of films from there as well. 2208 01:42:39,014 --> 01:42:40,982 Kathleen Turner shocked everyone with some 2209 01:42:41,016 --> 01:42:43,536 explicit nudity in, "Body Heat," from 1981. 2210 01:42:43,571 --> 01:42:45,883 And that was all essential to the plot. 2211 01:42:45,918 --> 01:42:47,920 As her career went on, she was seen in essential nude scenes 2212 01:42:47,954 --> 01:42:50,888 in, "Romancing the Stone," "Crimes of Passion," 2213 01:42:50,923 --> 01:42:52,718 "A Breed Apart," and, "War of the Roses." 2214 01:42:52,752 --> 01:42:55,065 "Tess," provided Nastassja Kinski a lot of acclaim 2215 01:42:55,099 --> 01:42:59,000 in 1979 with an essential nude scene, although she started 2216 01:42:59,034 --> 01:43:00,726 much earlier than that in, "Stay as You Are," 2217 01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,866 and, "Boarding School," in 1978. 2218 01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:06,318 and then her career kind of exploded to feature other 2219 01:43:06,352 --> 01:43:08,078 important nude scenes like, "Cat People," 2220 01:43:08,112 --> 01:43:10,080 which is maybe her most popular film. 2221 01:43:10,114 --> 01:43:12,082 And somebody else whose career you can trace 2222 01:43:12,116 --> 01:43:14,257 via their nude scenes is Melanie Griffith, 2223 01:43:14,291 --> 01:43:16,328 who appeared in essential nude scenes in, 2224 01:43:16,362 --> 01:43:19,020 "Something Wild," "Nobody's Fool," with Paul Newman, 2225 01:43:19,054 --> 01:43:22,575 "Night Moves," "Body Double," and quite a few other ones. 2226 01:43:22,610 --> 01:43:26,096 - A distinction needs to be made about attitude 2227 01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:27,718 when you advise an actress 2228 01:43:27,753 --> 01:43:29,927 to take a role and take her clothes off. 2229 01:43:29,962 --> 01:43:32,102 If the representative's, or the producer's, 2230 01:43:32,136 --> 01:43:37,141 or the studio's thinking is heartless, and not regarding 2231 01:43:38,281 --> 01:43:42,837 the artist as an artist, then bye, not good. 2232 01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:46,358 - Kate Winslet was nude in like 2233 01:43:46,392 --> 01:43:47,980 probably her first 20 movies. 2234 01:43:48,014 --> 01:43:50,465 - The first time an actress is nude in a film, 2235 01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:53,399 it's a big deal, she's showing herself, 2236 01:43:53,434 --> 01:43:56,609 she's vulnerable, she's sensitive, she's emotional. 2237 01:43:56,644 --> 01:43:58,266 And then it's hard to kind of reconcile 2238 01:43:58,301 --> 01:44:01,096 her nudity with her mind of a character. 2239 01:44:01,131 --> 01:44:02,822 - Like there are movies where she did 2240 01:44:02,857 --> 01:44:04,652 full frontal nudity and everything. 2241 01:44:04,686 --> 01:44:06,585 And they were quirky, and they were great. 2242 01:44:06,619 --> 01:44:09,139 And it like really showcased her as an actress, 2243 01:44:09,173 --> 01:44:12,246 that sort of was comfortable in her own skin and everything. 2244 01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,109 - "Titanic," it was a it was one of 2245 01:44:14,144 --> 01:44:16,146 the biggest grossing movies ever. 2246 01:44:16,180 --> 01:44:19,736 And the nudity in that was confined to 2247 01:44:19,770 --> 01:44:23,809 Kate getting her portrait painted by Leonardo. 2248 01:44:23,843 --> 01:44:26,294 And it was what we would call tasteful. 2249 01:44:26,329 --> 01:44:27,985 - And being a movie that families, 2250 01:44:28,020 --> 01:44:29,780 and everybody were going to see, 2251 01:44:29,815 --> 01:44:31,195 I think when that moment occurred they figured 2252 01:44:31,230 --> 01:44:34,302 we were gonna get the traditional 1950s era shot, 2253 01:44:34,337 --> 01:44:36,200 where we saw the naked back of the woman, 2254 01:44:36,235 --> 01:44:37,926 and the guy would see it, and that'd be it. 2255 01:44:37,961 --> 01:44:42,034 But no, we actually saw Kate Winslet's character topless. 2256 01:44:42,068 --> 01:44:45,417 - "Titanic," was a very very interesting film for us, 2257 01:44:45,451 --> 01:44:48,489 as far as nudity is concerned, because in our board 2258 01:44:48,523 --> 01:44:51,802 we had mostly all PG-13s, 2259 01:44:51,837 --> 01:44:56,220 except for one or two of the fathers. 2260 01:44:56,255 --> 01:44:59,189 - But it's a beautiful moment, and it's true to the story. 2261 01:44:59,223 --> 01:45:00,846 And it's actually one of the most important scenes 2262 01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,468 in the movie, because it's the moment where 2263 01:45:02,503 --> 01:45:04,953 we realized that she's gonna be herself. 2264 01:45:04,988 --> 01:45:07,922 Surprising that it got through, but it was the right thing. 2265 01:45:09,372 --> 01:45:12,306 "Boogie Nights," was made in the '90s, 2266 01:45:12,340 --> 01:45:14,687 but it's actually largely set in the 1970s 2267 01:45:14,722 --> 01:45:18,208 at the height of the porn industry, when filmmakers 2268 01:45:18,242 --> 01:45:20,452 were making literally hundreds of porn movies, 2269 01:45:20,486 --> 01:45:21,660 and showing them in theaters, 2270 01:45:21,694 --> 01:45:22,868 because this was before the internet, 2271 01:45:22,902 --> 01:45:26,389 and before even cable TV or anything like that. 2272 01:45:26,423 --> 01:45:31,325 - It, I think, gave a very accurate picture 2273 01:45:31,359 --> 01:45:34,569 of what it's like to be on a porn set, 2274 01:45:34,604 --> 01:45:39,609 and the chaos wrought of the switchover from film to video. 2275 01:45:40,506 --> 01:45:41,231 - No no, we just keep shooting. 2276 01:45:41,265 --> 01:45:42,681 This is video. 2277 01:45:42,715 --> 01:45:45,235 We shoot, and shoot, and then we deal with it later. 2278 01:45:45,269 --> 01:45:46,685 - Paul Thomas Anderson, who directed it, 2279 01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:49,032 has this amazing cast, with Burt Reynolds playing 2280 01:45:49,066 --> 01:45:51,724 kind of the father figure who makes all these movies. 2281 01:45:51,759 --> 01:45:53,416 Julianne Moore is his wife, 2282 01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:56,936 who also still appears in porn movies. 2283 01:45:56,971 --> 01:45:59,560 And then Heather Graham plays roller girl, 2284 01:45:59,594 --> 01:46:01,251 who dropped out of high school, 2285 01:46:01,285 --> 01:46:02,425 and she still is on her roller skates, 2286 01:46:02,459 --> 01:46:04,530 and is becoming a pretty big porn star. 2287 01:46:04,565 --> 01:46:06,567 And then Mark Wahlberg, who is discovered, 2288 01:46:06,601 --> 01:46:08,845 classic Hollywood style because he has 2289 01:46:08,879 --> 01:46:11,675 a certain gift that you just can't fake. 2290 01:46:11,710 --> 01:46:14,264 - He becomes the star of porn in the '70s, 2291 01:46:14,298 --> 01:46:17,301 and then he gets embroiled in drugs and crime, 2292 01:46:17,336 --> 01:46:18,786 and everything like that, everything that kind of 2293 01:46:18,820 --> 01:46:22,065 was bad about the post '70s porn industry. 2294 01:46:22,099 --> 01:46:22,893 - I want to fuck! 2295 01:46:22,928 --> 01:46:24,136 It's my big dick! 2296 01:46:24,170 --> 01:46:26,138 So everybody get ready fucking now! 2297 01:46:26,172 --> 01:46:27,691 - It's also very true to the subject matter. 2298 01:46:27,726 --> 01:46:30,280 You can't have a movie about the porn industry, 2299 01:46:30,314 --> 01:46:33,904 and then cut away when there's going to be the sexy scene. 2300 01:46:33,939 --> 01:46:36,942 So the first time Mark Wahlberg's character 2301 01:46:36,976 --> 01:46:39,047 is introduced Heather Graham's roller girl, 2302 01:46:39,082 --> 01:46:40,290 and Burt Reynolds is there with them 2303 01:46:40,324 --> 01:46:41,809 and says you guys want to go at it? 2304 01:46:41,843 --> 01:46:44,881 And she just whips off the clothes, and skates over, 2305 01:46:44,915 --> 01:46:46,917 other than the skates, completely naked. 2306 01:46:49,989 --> 01:46:51,301 - Are you ready? 2307 01:46:51,335 --> 01:46:53,890 - Yeah, are you? - Oh yeah. 2308 01:46:53,924 --> 01:46:57,480 ♪ Your window last night 2309 01:46:57,514 --> 01:46:59,965 - Are you gonna take your skates off? 2310 01:46:59,999 --> 01:47:02,139 - I don't take my skates off. 2311 01:47:02,174 --> 01:47:03,347 And don't fucking cum in me. 2312 01:47:03,382 --> 01:47:04,210 - Okay. 2313 01:47:05,349 --> 01:47:06,972 -Aim it at her tits, Eddie. 2314 01:47:07,006 --> 01:47:08,422 - Spoiler alert, this movie came out 2315 01:47:08,456 --> 01:47:09,664 20 years ago, if you haven't seen it. 2316 01:47:09,699 --> 01:47:12,287 But eventually we see a lot of reaction shots 2317 01:47:12,322 --> 01:47:14,324 to people reacting to what Mark Wahlberg 2318 01:47:14,358 --> 01:47:15,774 looks like with his clothes off. 2319 01:47:15,808 --> 01:47:17,672 We finally get the money shot, so to speak, at the end. 2320 01:47:17,707 --> 01:47:22,366 - The end is, it's a gloss on the end of, "Raging Bull." 2321 01:47:22,401 --> 01:47:26,301 - I could have been a contender, I could have been somebody 2322 01:47:26,336 --> 01:47:28,511 instead of a bum, which is what I am. 2323 01:47:29,995 --> 01:47:33,343 - He's ready to go on to film a scene, and just to 2324 01:47:33,377 --> 01:47:36,173 check his confidence he unbuttons his pants. 2325 01:47:36,208 --> 01:47:38,659 And you see for the first time 2326 01:47:38,693 --> 01:47:41,316 what everyone has talked about in the movie. 2327 01:47:41,351 --> 01:47:44,527 - [David] What's he supposed to have, this giant penis. 2328 01:47:44,561 --> 01:47:46,977 So it was a custom made giant penis, 2329 01:47:47,012 --> 01:47:48,531 and we all got to see it at the end. 2330 01:47:48,565 --> 01:47:49,842 - Looking in the mirror. 2331 01:47:49,877 --> 01:47:53,190 And then when he stands up, his head's cut off. 2332 01:47:53,225 --> 01:47:57,678 So it's like the personality's gone, he is his penis. 2333 01:47:57,712 --> 01:47:59,990 - The end of, "Boogie Nights," I won't kid you, 2334 01:48:00,025 --> 01:48:03,994 we received a lot of comment about, after we rated it R. 2335 01:48:04,029 --> 01:48:06,341 But I have to share with you that the comments 2336 01:48:06,376 --> 01:48:08,378 came from the media, not from parents. 2337 01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:10,311 They thought it was a true rating. 2338 01:48:10,345 --> 01:48:12,796 They thought it was right on. 2339 01:48:12,831 --> 01:48:14,833 - The rebirth of sex comedies was, "American Pie." 2340 01:48:14,867 --> 01:48:19,009 There hadn't really been many for a while. 2341 01:48:19,044 --> 01:48:19,976 - Illegal channels? 2342 01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:21,805 - This is just a bad reception. 2343 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,014 - [Television] Oh, spank my hairy ass. 2344 01:48:24,049 --> 01:48:24,912 - What's that? 2345 01:48:24,946 --> 01:48:26,396 - [Television] Ooh, baby. 2346 01:48:26,430 --> 01:48:27,570 - You know what here, just give me this please. 2347 01:48:27,604 --> 01:48:28,812 - The new generation coming up 2348 01:48:28,847 --> 01:48:31,263 hadn't really seen those movies of the '80s. 2349 01:48:31,297 --> 01:48:33,334 So it was the right time, right place. 2350 01:48:33,368 --> 01:48:37,062 And then it sparked a big genre, again 2351 01:48:37,096 --> 01:48:38,719 going in the next wave. 2352 01:48:38,753 --> 01:48:41,411 - We all get laid before we graduate. 2353 01:48:41,445 --> 01:48:43,413 - And it's relatable because we 2354 01:48:43,447 --> 01:48:44,897 all go through that stage of life. 2355 01:48:44,932 --> 01:48:46,865 - That comes easier for some than others. 2356 01:48:46,899 --> 01:48:49,281 One that it does not come easy for is Jason Biggs in 2357 01:48:49,315 --> 01:48:53,181 the lead, who at one point asks his friend, Steve Stifler. 2358 01:48:53,216 --> 01:48:55,598 - What exactly does third base feel like? 2359 01:48:55,632 --> 01:48:58,117 - Like warm apple pie. 2360 01:48:58,152 --> 01:48:59,394 - Yeah? 2361 01:48:59,429 --> 01:49:00,292 - The most famous scene in the movie, 2362 01:49:00,326 --> 01:49:02,018 of course, involves Jason Biggs 2363 01:49:02,052 --> 01:49:05,055 attempting to make love to a warm apple pie, 2364 01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:08,196 and getting interrupted by Eugene Levy, his father. 2365 01:49:08,231 --> 01:49:11,579 - [Jim] Oh yeah, oh. 2366 01:49:11,614 --> 01:49:13,132 - Jim? 2367 01:49:13,167 --> 01:49:14,375 - It's not what it looks like. 2368 01:49:14,409 --> 01:49:16,550 - Nadia's the foreign exchange student. 2369 01:49:16,584 --> 01:49:18,275 She's just like everyone else, 2370 01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:22,383 finding herself, and her sexuality, and boys. 2371 01:49:22,417 --> 01:49:25,282 - You need to change, right? 2372 01:49:25,317 --> 01:49:26,318 - Do you mind? 2373 01:49:26,352 --> 01:49:27,940 - No, no not at all. 2374 01:49:27,975 --> 01:49:31,116 Please you know just go ahead and get un, get changed. 2375 01:49:31,150 --> 01:49:32,807 - If I hadn't done, "American Pie," 2376 01:49:32,842 --> 01:49:34,706 and I hadn't done the role of Nadia, 2377 01:49:34,740 --> 01:49:36,777 and the nudity that came along with it, 2378 01:49:36,811 --> 01:49:39,469 I might not have a career today. 2379 01:49:39,503 --> 01:49:42,058 - The scene of her stripping down on the webcam is like, 2380 01:49:42,092 --> 01:49:43,818 that's burned into the memories of like 2381 01:49:43,853 --> 01:49:46,441 kids who were in high school and in the late '90s. 2382 01:49:46,476 --> 01:49:48,340 - So rather than, as in, "Porkies," 2383 01:49:48,374 --> 01:49:51,895 the guys spied on the girls through holes in the wall, 2384 01:49:51,930 --> 01:49:54,242 in, "American Pie," the guys spied on 2385 01:49:54,277 --> 01:49:56,141 the naked girls using the internet. 2386 01:49:56,175 --> 01:49:58,453 - I mean kids are taking pictures of themselves, 2387 01:49:58,488 --> 01:50:00,628 and putting it on the internet all the time. 2388 01:50:00,663 --> 01:50:02,457 So it's not as big of a deal. 2389 01:50:02,492 --> 01:50:03,666 You see it online every day, 2390 01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,151 you see it on Instagram, or wherever. 2391 01:50:06,185 --> 01:50:07,842 I didn't really think about the fact 2392 01:50:07,877 --> 01:50:09,637 that my character had nudity. 2393 01:50:09,672 --> 01:50:11,121 I was a struggling actor, 2394 01:50:11,156 --> 01:50:13,330 I was auditioning for everything I could. 2395 01:50:13,365 --> 01:50:17,541 So when I got the role, I was just so excited to get it. 2396 01:50:17,576 --> 01:50:20,648 I tried really hard to just go in there and not be nervous. 2397 01:50:20,683 --> 01:50:23,375 We added some stuff that wasn't actually in the script. 2398 01:50:23,409 --> 01:50:25,929 So like when I walked to the mirror, 2399 01:50:25,964 --> 01:50:28,000 and I'm topless, and I'm looking at myself, 2400 01:50:28,035 --> 01:50:30,658 I kind of look at my stomach and think 2401 01:50:30,693 --> 01:50:32,833 you know I'm not happy with the way I look. 2402 01:50:32,867 --> 01:50:34,144 'Cause that's what girls do. 2403 01:50:34,179 --> 01:50:36,181 Doing, "American Pie," and the role of Nadia, 2404 01:50:36,215 --> 01:50:38,666 changed everything for me and my career. 2405 01:50:38,701 --> 01:50:40,461 I ended up getting a three picture deal 2406 01:50:40,495 --> 01:50:42,566 with Miramax because of it. 2407 01:50:42,601 --> 01:50:44,189 - Looks like you could use an extra hand. 2408 01:50:44,223 --> 01:50:45,362 - Jim. 2409 01:50:45,397 --> 01:50:46,536 - Well. 2410 01:50:46,570 --> 01:50:48,020 - Shame on you. 2411 01:50:48,055 --> 01:50:49,539 - [Jim] Yeah. 2412 01:50:49,573 --> 01:50:50,816 - So if something comes in now, 2413 01:50:50,851 --> 01:50:52,784 it is important what kind of project it is. 2414 01:50:52,818 --> 01:50:54,855 And then what kind of nudity is it? 2415 01:50:54,889 --> 01:50:57,202 Is it important for what the script's about, 2416 01:50:57,236 --> 01:50:59,169 or is it gratuitous and they're just throwing it 2417 01:50:59,204 --> 01:51:01,378 in there to get some kind of a rating? 2418 01:51:01,413 --> 01:51:02,690 - And so that was kind of like 2419 01:51:02,725 --> 01:51:04,243 hey let's, we can do this again. 2420 01:51:04,278 --> 01:51:05,659 And there were so many that there needed 2421 01:51:05,693 --> 01:51:08,316 to be a parody movie a couple years later. 2422 01:51:08,351 --> 01:51:10,733 [calm music] 2423 01:51:12,044 --> 01:51:13,667 - I thought what a funny role. 2424 01:51:13,701 --> 01:51:16,704 I don't think I can get naked, 2425 01:51:16,739 --> 01:51:19,051 like I don't think I can do that part of it. 2426 01:51:20,777 --> 01:51:22,572 - So, you've got your class schedule, right? 2427 01:51:22,606 --> 01:51:24,332 - I don't need the class schedule. 2428 01:51:24,367 --> 01:51:26,990 I only come to this school to be object of lust 2429 01:51:27,025 --> 01:51:30,235 for poor nerds who cannot get American pussy. 2430 01:51:30,269 --> 01:51:32,858 - To spoof the gratuitous nudity 2431 01:51:32,893 --> 01:51:35,999 in, "American Pie," they just had Serena Vincent 2432 01:51:36,034 --> 01:51:38,933 walk around the school completely nude. 2433 01:51:38,968 --> 01:51:40,245 - As though foreign exchange students 2434 01:51:40,279 --> 01:51:42,281 are supposed to be naked. 2435 01:51:42,316 --> 01:51:43,731 - [Girl] 100% completely fake. 2436 01:51:43,766 --> 01:51:46,596 - [Girl] I agree, that's not her natural hair color. 2437 01:51:46,630 --> 01:51:48,080 - Oh my God, I can't believe she's 2438 01:51:48,115 --> 01:51:49,426 wearing the same outfit as me. 2439 01:51:49,461 --> 01:51:51,739 - I remember telling my agent, 2440 01:51:51,774 --> 01:51:53,810 like can I read for a different role? 2441 01:51:55,294 --> 01:51:57,607 And they said no, this is the one they want to see you for. 2442 01:51:57,641 --> 01:52:00,748 - But she went to class nude, walked the halls nude, 2443 01:52:00,783 --> 01:52:04,027 went to prom nude, went to the sporting events nude. 2444 01:52:04,062 --> 01:52:06,271 - She gets to sing a little song topless. 2445 01:52:06,305 --> 01:52:10,724 ♪ Look at me my breasts are perky yes ♪ 2446 01:52:12,139 --> 01:52:15,936 The comedy made it more fun for me, and less intimidating. 2447 01:52:15,970 --> 01:52:20,975 However, shooting nude scenes are one thing. 2448 01:52:23,702 --> 01:52:25,186 That's like one beast. 2449 01:52:26,429 --> 01:52:29,777 Dealing with the world judging you afterwards 2450 01:52:29,812 --> 01:52:31,952 was something that I wasn't prepared for. 2451 01:52:31,986 --> 01:52:33,263 I started off on a kids show. 2452 01:52:33,298 --> 01:52:35,300 I started off the Yellow Power Ranger 2453 01:52:35,334 --> 01:52:37,751 on, "Power Rangers Lost Galaxy." 2454 01:52:37,785 --> 01:52:40,477 The most interesting thing about the Power Rangers was 2455 01:52:41,824 --> 01:52:44,758 that a lot of Power Rangers fans were offended 2456 01:52:46,276 --> 01:52:48,589 that one of my next big roles was, 2457 01:52:48,623 --> 01:52:51,281 "Not Another Teen Movie," and, "Cabin Fever," 2458 01:52:51,316 --> 01:52:53,525 because there was nudity in, "Cabin Fever," as well. 2459 01:52:53,559 --> 01:52:56,148 I was offered many many roles after, 2460 01:52:56,183 --> 01:52:58,495 "Not Another Teen Movie," and, "Cabin Fever," 2461 01:52:58,530 --> 01:53:00,152 that were all about being nude. 2462 01:53:00,187 --> 01:53:02,085 So, that's an interesting part of the business, 2463 01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:04,950 is like what casting directors, and what the business, 2464 01:53:04,985 --> 01:53:08,264 and what the world sees you as, as an actor. 2465 01:53:08,298 --> 01:53:11,819 But then watching yourself on the big screen, 2466 01:53:15,029 --> 01:53:18,826 totally naked, I wasn't prepared for it. 2467 01:53:18,861 --> 01:53:21,346 I didn't think about that part. 2468 01:53:21,380 --> 01:53:23,451 - I wasn't ready to walk into a theater 2469 01:53:23,486 --> 01:53:27,801 and see myself naked that big, on a big screen. 2470 01:53:27,835 --> 01:53:32,495 - And I attribute that night of the premiere to me 2471 01:53:34,048 --> 01:53:38,466 becoming very ill, to the point of where I almost died. 2472 01:53:38,501 --> 01:53:41,538 Seeing myself that big on the screen, 2473 01:53:41,573 --> 01:53:46,578 I became totally anorexic and I went down to 76 pounds. 2474 01:53:48,407 --> 01:53:50,720 - And then also I wasn't prepared for 2475 01:53:50,754 --> 01:53:54,344 the entire world picking your body apart. 2476 01:53:54,379 --> 01:53:57,037 - It was really something, I had no, 2477 01:53:57,071 --> 01:54:00,903 I had no clue that something like that could happen. 2478 01:54:02,111 --> 01:54:05,666 - "Terminator 3," is about John Connor, 2479 01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:07,564 who has been living off the grid. 2480 01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:10,084 The Terminator actually is his ally, 2481 01:54:10,119 --> 01:54:13,881 and helps John Connor from getting killed 2482 01:54:13,916 --> 01:54:18,886 by the evil new cyborg, the TX, which is me. 2483 01:54:18,921 --> 01:54:20,370 - We have Kristanna Loken nude, 2484 01:54:20,405 --> 01:54:22,717 in the opening credits sequence actually, 2485 01:54:22,752 --> 01:54:24,927 where she lands from another time. 2486 01:54:25,962 --> 01:54:27,412 And there's a car that pulls up, 2487 01:54:27,446 --> 01:54:29,759 this beautiful sports car convertible, 2488 01:54:29,793 --> 01:54:31,934 and naked she walks through the street 2489 01:54:31,968 --> 01:54:34,143 to the car, and she car jacks it. 2490 01:54:35,454 --> 01:54:37,008 - I like this car. 2491 01:54:37,042 --> 01:54:40,321 Well, I was familiar with 2492 01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:43,462 the nudity in the Terminator franchise, 2493 01:54:43,497 --> 01:54:46,224 what we would call the birthing scene. 2494 01:54:46,258 --> 01:54:48,605 When Arnold's character comes to Earth 2495 01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,263 for the first time from the future, 2496 01:54:51,298 --> 01:54:53,610 and Robert Patrick's character. 2497 01:54:53,645 --> 01:54:55,958 And I figured there's not gonna be 2498 01:54:55,992 --> 01:54:57,891 anything different with my character. 2499 01:54:57,925 --> 01:55:00,721 But I was just glad it was the very last day of filming, 2500 01:55:00,755 --> 01:55:05,036 and I had all that time to get in the best shape of my life. 2501 01:55:05,070 --> 01:55:09,109 Women that are powerful, and that can 2502 01:55:09,143 --> 01:55:13,423 match men or best them in battle, it really stand out. 2503 01:55:16,012 --> 01:55:17,911 What price do you put on your body, 2504 01:55:17,945 --> 01:55:19,982 and what are you willing to get naked for? 2505 01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:23,571 It's easier for a man to just have his shirt off, 2506 01:55:23,606 --> 01:55:25,815 you know, and not have anything thought of it, 2507 01:55:25,849 --> 01:55:28,404 other than a woman, even if they're in bed together, 2508 01:55:28,438 --> 01:55:32,822 which I agree, the bed sheets up here, it looks weird. 2509 01:55:33,961 --> 01:55:35,135 - No, I don't want to be known as 2510 01:55:35,169 --> 01:55:36,860 the actress who just does nudity. 2511 01:55:36,895 --> 01:55:40,761 And I didn't know if anybody would take me seriously, 2512 01:55:40,795 --> 01:55:43,798 or let alone give me roles that didn't demand that. 2513 01:55:43,833 --> 01:55:46,284 - As a woman if you have your eyes open, and you have 2514 01:55:46,318 --> 01:55:49,632 a good solid brain on your head, you can do it. 2515 01:55:49,666 --> 01:55:51,875 And there's nobody saying that you can't, 2516 01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:55,707 in this day and age, except the women themselves. 2517 01:55:55,741 --> 01:55:58,710 - So there's theories of humor that say that 2518 01:55:58,744 --> 01:56:02,196 what funny things are, are benign violations. 2519 01:56:02,231 --> 01:56:04,854 They're violations of how the world should be. 2520 01:56:04,888 --> 01:56:06,235 But they're not threatening. 2521 01:56:06,994 --> 01:56:10,204 So for instance Ken Davitian in, "Borat," you're not used 2522 01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:12,551 to seeing really heavy dudes running around naked. 2523 01:56:12,586 --> 01:56:15,382 And so perceiving that makes you feel uncomfortable, 2524 01:56:15,416 --> 01:56:17,660 and that kind of feeling of a uncomfortableness 2525 01:56:17,694 --> 01:56:19,869 leads you to think of it as funny. 2526 01:56:19,903 --> 01:56:21,836 - I had no idea who Sacha was. 2527 01:56:21,871 --> 01:56:24,115 I had never seen an Ali G. 2528 01:56:24,149 --> 01:56:26,876 But I know I auditioned in character, 2529 01:56:26,910 --> 01:56:31,915 dressed with a suit that I wore when I was 360 pounds. 2530 01:56:33,227 --> 01:56:37,576 The nudity that we did, I never saw written on any paper. 2531 01:56:38,715 --> 01:56:39,889 The big superstars gonna run around naked, 2532 01:56:39,923 --> 01:56:43,893 and I made sure he was naked because he did it. 2533 01:56:43,927 --> 01:56:45,999 So I'll be darned if I'm not gonna do it. 2534 01:56:46,033 --> 01:56:50,658 - The sequence where Borat, and Ken Davitian's character, 2535 01:56:50,693 --> 01:56:53,696 who is a very large man, he's over 300 pounds, 2536 01:56:53,730 --> 01:56:57,044 and having, having a naked wrestling match 2537 01:56:57,079 --> 01:56:58,908 that just keeps going, it just goes 2538 01:56:58,942 --> 01:57:01,738 on and on, and doesn't shy away from. 2539 01:57:01,773 --> 01:57:03,602 I mean that's a movie that earns 2540 01:57:03,637 --> 01:57:05,880 it's graphic nudity MPAA rating. 2541 01:57:07,227 --> 01:57:10,920 - That scene with Ken Davitian and Sacha Baron Cohen 2542 01:57:10,954 --> 01:57:12,577 is one of the funniest nude scenes 2543 01:57:12,611 --> 01:57:14,096 I've ever seen in my life. 2544 01:57:14,130 --> 01:57:18,065 [speaking in foreign language] 2545 01:57:22,759 --> 01:57:25,072 - We had a naked fight coordinator. 2546 01:57:25,107 --> 01:57:30,008 The television, a lamp, they were all stunt equipment. 2547 01:57:31,423 --> 01:57:33,805 So he could hit me with it, I could hit him with it. 2548 01:57:35,151 --> 01:57:38,258 I said, if I'm naked, people are gonna go like this. 2549 01:57:38,292 --> 01:57:40,605 They'll go [grunting] 2550 01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:43,263 And they said yeah, that's what we want. 2551 01:57:44,678 --> 01:57:47,612 It was the first time, and the only time 2552 01:57:47,646 --> 01:57:49,855 I had control of anything. 2553 01:57:50,856 --> 01:57:52,203 But Sacha's the one that wanted 2554 01:57:52,237 --> 01:57:54,481 to go to the cliff and jump off. 2555 01:57:58,485 --> 01:57:59,589 Those are my testicle. 2556 01:58:00,797 --> 01:58:03,938 Sure he's gasping, but I wasn't farting out 2557 01:58:03,973 --> 01:58:07,770 gas for him to die, it was just a little accident. 2558 01:58:09,151 --> 01:58:11,843 - We made this movie called, "Zack and Miri Make a Porno." 2559 01:58:11,877 --> 01:58:13,465 There was a little bit of nudity in it, 2560 01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:15,916 more so than any of the other movies I ever made. 2561 01:58:15,950 --> 01:58:18,125 But not, it's not graphic. 2562 01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:19,989 It's certainly a misleading title. 2563 01:58:20,023 --> 01:58:21,611 You're not seeing any penetration in, 2564 01:58:21,646 --> 01:58:23,579 "Zack and Miri Make a Porno." 2565 01:58:23,613 --> 01:58:24,821 - What? 2566 01:58:24,856 --> 01:58:26,823 - We're making a porno, and we just need to know 2567 01:58:26,858 --> 01:58:30,517 what you would be, or would not be, interested in doing. 2568 01:58:30,551 --> 01:58:31,380 - If anything. 2569 01:58:32,519 --> 01:58:33,451 - No anal. 2570 01:58:33,485 --> 01:58:34,866 - Oh, definitely no anal. 2571 01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:36,764 - Anal and hugging. 2572 01:58:36,799 --> 01:58:38,490 - I don't do ass stuff. 2573 01:58:38,525 --> 01:58:39,836 - Anal. 2574 01:58:39,871 --> 01:58:41,148 - Oh fuck. 2575 01:58:41,183 --> 01:58:43,357 - Oh wait, oral, I like anal. 2576 01:58:43,392 --> 01:58:44,324 - Yay. 2577 01:58:44,358 --> 01:58:46,602 Title got the movie greenlit. 2578 01:58:46,636 --> 01:58:48,845 But then when it came time for the movie to come out, 2579 01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:50,502 some networks were like, we won't 2580 01:58:50,537 --> 01:58:53,298 play a commercial for this before midnight. 2581 01:58:53,333 --> 01:58:56,474 - You can see the MPAA putting its fingers 2582 01:58:56,508 --> 01:58:58,545 even on just the topic of porn. 2583 01:58:58,579 --> 01:59:01,341 Because they had initially wanted Kevin Smith to cut 2584 01:59:01,375 --> 01:59:04,620 the words, "make a porno," out of the film 2585 01:59:04,654 --> 01:59:06,622 and just call it, "Zack and Miri," which means nothing. 2586 01:59:06,656 --> 01:59:08,520 The draw of the movie is that these two schlubs 2587 01:59:08,555 --> 01:59:11,213 want to go make a porn to save 2588 01:59:11,247 --> 01:59:13,076 their coffee shop, or something like that, anyway. 2589 01:59:13,111 --> 01:59:15,872 - With this mailing list we have almost 1000 people 2590 01:59:15,907 --> 01:59:18,392 that would definitely buy a porno we were in, 2591 01:59:18,427 --> 01:59:20,808 just to be like hey I sit next to the guy in Civics. 2592 01:59:20,843 --> 01:59:22,362 Look at his fucking dick. 2593 01:59:22,396 --> 01:59:24,709 - There's some adult actresses, 2594 01:59:24,743 --> 01:59:26,159 former adult actresses in the movie. 2595 01:59:26,193 --> 01:59:28,851 You had Traci Lords, who was obviously infamous, 2596 01:59:28,885 --> 01:59:30,197 although she's not nude in the film. 2597 01:59:30,232 --> 01:59:31,198 - So a movie, huh? 2598 01:59:32,406 --> 01:59:33,925 That could be fun. 2599 01:59:35,616 --> 01:59:38,688 [calm music] 2600 01:59:38,723 --> 01:59:40,311 [flatulating] 2601 01:59:40,345 --> 01:59:42,865 [funky music] 2602 01:59:50,148 --> 01:59:51,908 - Her name, Bubbles. 2603 01:59:51,943 --> 01:59:54,083 - When you look at a film like, "Zack and Miri," 2604 01:59:54,117 --> 01:59:58,398 I think that comedy and the nudity that 2605 01:59:58,432 --> 02:00:00,814 are actually in, "Zack and Miri," were perfect. 2606 02:00:01,953 --> 02:00:03,610 I mean the scene wouldn't have worked 2607 02:00:03,644 --> 02:00:07,407 if she hadn't been fully bare and there. 2608 02:00:07,441 --> 02:00:09,098 - Kevin Smith ran into a lot of problems, 2609 02:00:09,132 --> 02:00:12,550 just trying to get the movie distributed and marketed. 2610 02:00:12,584 --> 02:00:14,345 - If it makes you uncomfortable in any way, 2611 02:00:14,379 --> 02:00:16,761 you don't have to show me anything 2612 02:00:16,795 --> 02:00:19,729 you don't want to show me 'cause. 2613 02:00:22,145 --> 02:00:23,388 I love the movies. 2614 02:00:23,423 --> 02:00:24,769 - You might wander in to see a movie called, 2615 02:00:24,803 --> 02:00:26,253 "Zack and Miri," if you're my mom, 2616 02:00:26,288 --> 02:00:28,117 not knowing that it's about what it's about. 2617 02:00:28,151 --> 02:00:30,119 And then all of a sudden you're make a porno? 2618 02:00:30,153 --> 02:00:31,983 - It's such a shame, because I think 2619 02:00:32,017 --> 02:00:34,261 it's one of his better films, 2620 02:00:34,296 --> 02:00:36,746 that people were so afraid of the title. 2621 02:00:36,781 --> 02:00:39,542 But people are afraid of sex. 2622 02:00:39,577 --> 02:00:42,269 And maybe they're a little bit afraid of nudity too. 2623 02:00:42,304 --> 02:00:43,443 - [Mike] There's a billboard for, 2624 02:00:43,477 --> 02:00:45,962 "Zach and Miri Make a Porno," with Seth Rogen 2625 02:00:45,997 --> 02:00:48,379 and Elizabeth Banks, and they were just stick figures. 2626 02:00:48,413 --> 02:00:50,588 - Katie Morgan gets kind of naked, 2627 02:00:50,622 --> 02:00:52,728 and then Jason Mewes gets really naked. 2628 02:00:52,762 --> 02:00:55,558 Jason Mewes goes full dick out in that movie, man. 2629 02:00:55,593 --> 02:00:59,113 He shaved his pubes into a heart. 2630 02:00:59,148 --> 02:01:02,565 I remember when I showed the movie to Affleck. 2631 02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:05,775 Nobody had ever said this, entire time I'd 2632 02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:08,088 shown people the movie and stuff, nobody ever noticed. 2633 02:01:08,122 --> 02:01:10,297 Soon as the movie's done Affleck goes, 2634 02:01:10,332 --> 02:01:13,300 did Mewes shave a heart into his pubes? 2635 02:01:13,335 --> 02:01:14,922 I was like you were looking. 2636 02:01:14,957 --> 02:01:17,442 You were looking awfully close, weren't you? 2637 02:01:17,477 --> 02:01:20,445 - Anybody that read the, "Fifty Shades of Grey," books, 2638 02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,482 all the suburban housewives, they were going 2639 02:01:22,516 --> 02:01:24,967 to the theater and weren't expecting nudity? 2640 02:01:25,001 --> 02:01:26,209 Come on. 2641 02:01:26,244 --> 02:01:31,042 ♪ I know if I'm onto you you must be onto me ♪ 2642 02:01:32,492 --> 02:01:36,496 - It's kind of funny because the movie is so vanilla. 2643 02:01:36,530 --> 02:01:37,842 - You're a sadist? 2644 02:01:38,843 --> 02:01:40,327 - I'm a dominant. 2645 02:01:40,362 --> 02:01:41,708 - What does that mean? 2646 02:01:41,742 --> 02:01:44,193 - It means I want you to willingly surrender yourself. 2647 02:01:44,227 --> 02:01:46,333 - I think filmmakers keep the ratings in mind 2648 02:01:46,368 --> 02:01:48,508 all the time now because they sign a contract 2649 02:01:48,542 --> 02:01:50,337 at the beginning promising to deliver 2650 02:01:50,372 --> 02:01:54,237 a film rated R, or 13 or less. 2651 02:01:54,272 --> 02:01:58,311 - I will 100% stick up for, "Fifty Shades of Grey." 2652 02:01:58,345 --> 02:02:00,209 There's a huge difference between the way 2653 02:02:00,243 --> 02:02:02,522 Sam Taylor-johnson shoots a sex scene, 2654 02:02:02,556 --> 02:02:05,697 and a lot of the '80s directors would shoot a sex scene. 2655 02:02:05,732 --> 02:02:07,009 '80s directors are like, 2656 02:02:07,043 --> 02:02:09,149 here is the body, isn't it beautiful? 2657 02:02:09,183 --> 02:02:12,186 And Sam Taylor-johnson says here is a bit of fabric. 2658 02:02:12,221 --> 02:02:14,050 Do you want to imagine what that would feel like? 2659 02:02:14,085 --> 02:02:15,880 She's asking you to use your imagination 2660 02:02:15,914 --> 02:02:17,882 to bring yourself to the scene. 2661 02:02:17,916 --> 02:02:21,851 - They worked very hard to suggest, 2662 02:02:21,886 --> 02:02:24,095 rather than show a lot of graphics. 2663 02:02:24,129 --> 02:02:26,718 You'll see how they did it very skillfully 2664 02:02:26,753 --> 02:02:29,583 without getting an NC-17 rating. 2665 02:02:29,618 --> 02:02:32,034 - It seems, in life and in the film industry, 2666 02:02:32,068 --> 02:02:36,418 there's this correlation between nudity and attractiveness. 2667 02:02:36,452 --> 02:02:38,730 You want to see the attractive people naked. 2668 02:02:38,765 --> 02:02:43,494 But that pairing then leads to 2669 02:02:43,528 --> 02:02:46,842 bad consequences, such that people are like well, 2670 02:02:46,876 --> 02:02:49,085 to be naked you have to be attractive. 2671 02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:51,433 - Nudity isn't just limited to the young, 2672 02:02:51,467 --> 02:02:53,435 or the perfectly proportioned. 2673 02:02:53,469 --> 02:02:55,126 You don't have to be a perfect 10. 2674 02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,577 - It's really nice being in your 50s as an actress, 2675 02:02:57,611 --> 02:03:00,338 because nobody actually asks you to get naked anymore. 2676 02:03:01,546 --> 02:03:02,651 Or very rarely. 2677 02:03:04,238 --> 02:03:06,965 Usually an actress in their 50s doesn't 2678 02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:08,933 really want to do a nude scene. 2679 02:03:08,967 --> 02:03:12,419 - When we see older actors or actresses get naked 2680 02:03:12,454 --> 02:03:16,112 in an everyday setting, so Kathy Bates in, "About Schmidt." 2681 02:03:16,147 --> 02:03:17,976 - And she did a movie with Jack Nicholson, 2682 02:03:18,011 --> 02:03:21,394 who seems to bring the sensuality out in older women. 2683 02:03:21,428 --> 02:03:23,154 And they get in the hot tub together. 2684 02:03:23,188 --> 02:03:26,295 And Kathy Bates strips off completely, 2685 02:03:26,329 --> 02:03:29,919 and climbs in a hot tub with Jack Nicholson. 2686 02:03:29,954 --> 02:03:32,577 And you see her both entering the hot tub, 2687 02:03:32,612 --> 02:03:34,130 and then sitting in the hot tub with him, 2688 02:03:34,165 --> 02:03:36,961 which was kind of surprising at the time. 2689 02:03:36,995 --> 02:03:38,272 - Oh, that's better. 2690 02:03:39,964 --> 02:03:42,242 Oh, what a night. 2691 02:03:42,276 --> 02:03:45,452 - The look on Jack Nicholson's face, it's like, 2692 02:03:45,487 --> 02:03:48,628 the easiest read on that is like, it's an ugly body. 2693 02:03:48,662 --> 02:03:51,734 But I think it was that feminine power, and that confidence, 2694 02:03:51,769 --> 02:03:54,668 that women are supposed to be somehow ashamed 2695 02:03:54,703 --> 02:03:56,463 of not having that perfect body. 2696 02:03:56,498 --> 02:03:58,465 And Kathy Bates like look, this is me baby. 2697 02:03:58,500 --> 02:03:59,639 I'm in the tub with you. 2698 02:03:59,673 --> 02:04:01,434 I mean it was brilliant. 2699 02:04:01,468 --> 02:04:03,643 [calm music] 2700 02:04:03,677 --> 02:04:05,783 - Right now we're in a very interesting time, 2701 02:04:05,817 --> 02:04:09,821 where people are very aware of power dynamics. 2702 02:04:09,856 --> 02:04:13,204 - The destruction of the accepted paradigm in Hollywood 2703 02:04:13,238 --> 02:04:16,483 in the last 18 months has happened faster 2704 02:04:16,518 --> 02:04:19,831 than probably in the last 100 years of the movie business. 2705 02:04:19,866 --> 02:04:22,593 - Since Harvey Weinstein, and the Me Too movement 2706 02:04:22,627 --> 02:04:26,113 got underway we've definitely seen a lot more talk 2707 02:04:26,148 --> 02:04:29,392 about what can be done to make actresses, 2708 02:04:29,427 --> 02:04:32,326 and occasionally actors, feel more comfortable on a set. 2709 02:04:32,361 --> 02:04:36,883 - I am finding that I am being hired more by studios. 2710 02:04:36,917 --> 02:04:38,401 And other intimacy directors are being 2711 02:04:38,436 --> 02:04:40,507 hired more since the Me Too movement. 2712 02:04:40,542 --> 02:04:43,648 - A filmmaker knows now if I have nudity in my film 2713 02:04:43,683 --> 02:04:46,686 it will be absolutely cross examined by the internet. 2714 02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:50,517 - None of us are excited about why 2715 02:04:50,552 --> 02:04:52,864 we have come to the forefront. 2716 02:04:52,899 --> 02:04:55,867 We are all thrilled to be part of the solution. 2717 02:04:55,902 --> 02:04:57,524 - So I need to make sure I have a reason for it. 2718 02:04:57,559 --> 02:04:59,043 I need to justify it. 2719 02:04:59,077 --> 02:05:02,253 I can't just have cheap nudity in this film for no reason. 2720 02:05:02,287 --> 02:05:04,358 - Everything's been upended because 2721 02:05:04,393 --> 02:05:07,189 all of this institutionalized sexism, 2722 02:05:07,223 --> 02:05:10,882 and harassment has been coming to light. 2723 02:05:10,917 --> 02:05:12,746 - No, and I don't think we ever want to get 2724 02:05:12,781 --> 02:05:17,164 in a situation where people say we can't have nudity 2725 02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:20,582 in films or television because it's too problematic. 2726 02:05:20,616 --> 02:05:22,100 That's a problem. 2727 02:05:22,135 --> 02:05:26,070 - And now there's more of a system of checks and balances. 2728 02:05:26,104 --> 02:05:28,590 - You want people to just sort of feel 2729 02:05:28,624 --> 02:05:32,076 like whatever they're doing they signed up to do. 2730 02:05:32,110 --> 02:05:34,112 - I think that's good, just in terms of 2731 02:05:34,147 --> 02:05:36,425 every artist should be cross-examining everything they do. 2732 02:05:36,459 --> 02:05:37,426 I think there were a lot of boobs 2733 02:05:37,460 --> 02:05:39,083 that were not cross-examined. 2734 02:05:39,117 --> 02:05:41,741 - And I think things are changing very quickly because, 2735 02:05:41,775 --> 02:05:43,915 again, there's just such a light 2736 02:05:43,950 --> 02:05:48,092 shone on Hollywood right now, post Weinstein. 2737 02:05:48,126 --> 02:05:51,405 I don't think that executives have a choice anymore. 2738 02:05:52,303 --> 02:05:54,857 [all talking at once] 2739 02:05:54,892 --> 02:05:57,308 [calm music] 2740 02:05:58,792 --> 02:06:02,624 - I was going towards the set down a corridor in the studio. 2741 02:06:02,658 --> 02:06:05,316 And I see at the end of the corridor Gielgud 2742 02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:08,699 came around running down going [grunting] 2743 02:06:08,733 --> 02:06:10,942 Malcolm, oh Malcolm, have you been on the set? 2744 02:06:10,977 --> 02:06:14,083 I said John, I'm just going to the set. 2745 02:06:14,118 --> 02:06:17,431 He goes, I'd never seen so much cock in all my life. 2746 02:06:17,466 --> 02:06:19,675 [laughing] 2747 02:06:20,814 --> 02:06:22,747 - I went back through my resume on IMDB, 2748 02:06:24,197 --> 02:06:27,165 and I'm like starting at the bottom, which was the '80s. 2749 02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,928 Okay nude, nude, nude, nude, nude, nude, not nude, nude. 2750 02:06:30,962 --> 02:06:32,101 I actually counted. 2751 02:06:32,136 --> 02:06:36,105 I did 35 nude scenes in films. 2752 02:06:36,140 --> 02:06:38,660 But I've done 185 movies. 2753 02:06:38,694 --> 02:06:41,145 - One of the strange things about the rating board was, 2754 02:06:41,179 --> 02:06:43,526 what they never did, was that after you came back 2755 02:06:43,561 --> 02:06:45,321 and showed them your new version of the movie, 2756 02:06:45,356 --> 02:06:47,669 they never went to see it in a theater. 2757 02:06:47,703 --> 02:06:52,294 So at Corman's we had a practice of making the cuts 2758 02:06:53,536 --> 02:06:54,641 that they asked for, showing them the print, 2759 02:06:54,676 --> 02:06:56,194 and then immediately reinstating all the cuts 2760 02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:58,300 and sending the picture out the drive-ins. 2761 02:06:58,334 --> 02:07:01,337 And almost all the movies that came from New World 2762 02:07:01,372 --> 02:07:03,650 at that period that are rated R, 2763 02:07:03,685 --> 02:07:06,998 are pictures that actually are X rated cuts. 2764 02:07:07,033 --> 02:07:09,035 - Barry Diller was the head of ABC. 2765 02:07:09,069 --> 02:07:12,003 And he came over and talked to me about "Picture Show", 2766 02:07:12,038 --> 02:07:14,143 said they wanted to run it on the network. 2767 02:07:14,178 --> 02:07:16,836 And they had cut 11 minutes out of it. 2768 02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:18,838 The scene with Cloris Leachman, 2769 02:07:18,872 --> 02:07:22,151 when Tim Bottoms and she make love the first time. 2770 02:07:23,566 --> 02:07:25,776 I said as he starts to get on her, go to a commercial. 2771 02:07:25,810 --> 02:07:28,537 And when you come out of the commercial, he gets off. 2772 02:07:28,571 --> 02:07:31,678 And they did that, and it was very funny to me. 2773 02:07:31,713 --> 02:07:33,715 Go to a commercial while they're fucking. 2774 02:07:35,164 --> 02:07:38,202 - Larry Charles said go through those black doors, 2775 02:07:38,236 --> 02:07:40,204 and the stage is in front of you. 2776 02:07:40,238 --> 02:07:42,033 That's the direction we got. 2777 02:07:42,068 --> 02:07:46,831 When I ran I slipped and fell. 2778 02:07:46,866 --> 02:07:49,040 And therefore he fell on top of me. 2779 02:07:49,075 --> 02:07:51,733 Because the one thing we didn't do 2780 02:07:51,767 --> 02:07:53,700 is prepare for afterwards. 2781 02:07:53,735 --> 02:07:57,221 Two detectives from the actual hotel, 2782 02:07:57,255 --> 02:08:01,156 came and took me out, and he said to me, 2783 02:08:01,190 --> 02:08:04,711 when we get to the end of the steps get into the blue van. 2784 02:08:04,746 --> 02:08:07,231 I mean this guy's taking me to jail. 2785 02:08:07,265 --> 02:08:09,751 Yeah, I don't know what they did with Sacha. 2786 02:08:09,785 --> 02:08:12,892 But nobody thought about me I was sitting there freezing. 2787 02:08:12,926 --> 02:08:16,585 There's nothing in the van to cover yourself with. 2788 02:08:16,619 --> 02:08:21,624 There was no contingencies made previously 2789 02:08:22,764 --> 02:08:25,249 to any concerns about being arrested. 2790 02:08:25,283 --> 02:08:29,287 They were all made [hands clap] on the spot. 2791 02:08:29,322 --> 02:08:33,015 - Did you see a film called, "Blue is the Warmest Color?" 2792 02:08:33,050 --> 02:08:36,398 I saw that movie and I was like, I was shocked 2793 02:08:36,432 --> 02:08:38,918 because I was watching these two women go at it, 2794 02:08:38,952 --> 02:08:42,266 spacking each other, and they scissoring each other, 2795 02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:44,958 and all this kind of stuff, and I was like holy cow. 2796 02:08:44,993 --> 02:08:46,753 Now there's a movie I could never do. 2797 02:08:46,788 --> 02:08:50,101 - I did a movie called, "The Naked Monster." 2798 02:08:50,136 --> 02:08:54,140 And they decided to add in a gratuitous 2799 02:08:54,174 --> 02:08:57,419 shower scene, but it was satirical. 2800 02:08:57,453 --> 02:09:01,457 So my character Nicky, the narrator says, suddenly Nicky 2801 02:09:01,492 --> 02:09:05,151 felt compelled to shower for no reason at all. 2802 02:09:05,185 --> 02:09:07,670 And I'm like looking at the camera going what? 2803 02:09:08,810 --> 02:09:10,673 And I'm like you, get out of here. 2804 02:09:11,605 --> 02:09:14,332 - So shooting in the actual house 2805 02:09:14,367 --> 02:09:16,956 that Dorothy was murdered in, 2806 02:09:16,990 --> 02:09:20,683 and where Eric Robert committed suicide in, 2807 02:09:20,718 --> 02:09:24,135 meant it gave it more of a texture. 2808 02:09:24,170 --> 02:09:27,932 - And the day before we shot the murder scene 2809 02:09:27,967 --> 02:09:30,314 in the actual place where it took place 2810 02:09:30,348 --> 02:09:34,076 Bob Fosse and I spent the night there at his request. 2811 02:09:34,111 --> 02:09:37,114 And I'm asking him while we're lying there. 2812 02:09:39,461 --> 02:09:40,634 I'm in the bedroom, he's in the living room, 2813 02:09:40,669 --> 02:09:43,154 and I said why are we doing this? 2814 02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:45,778 He said because I want to, shut up. 2815 02:09:45,812 --> 02:09:48,366 - Filming in that house was horrible. 2816 02:09:48,401 --> 02:09:50,023 Nobody made me spend the night there. 2817 02:09:50,058 --> 02:09:52,992 I would've, I couldn't have done it. 2818 02:09:53,026 --> 02:09:56,271 - It was freaking me out, I got maybe three hours sleep. 2819 02:09:56,305 --> 02:09:58,135 But I think that's what he wanted. 2820 02:09:58,169 --> 02:10:02,208 He wanted me on, he wanted me uncomfortable. 2821 02:10:04,210 --> 02:10:05,521 He did a good job. 2822 02:10:05,556 --> 02:10:06,833 He wanted me uncomfortable. 2823 02:10:06,868 --> 02:10:09,318 [calm music] 2824 02:10:10,906 --> 02:10:13,598 [loud stomping] 2825 02:10:18,396 --> 02:10:21,399 [elephant trumpets]